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    We bought this truck to fix up and cant find any data plate or id. Has anyone seen one and if so know where. I need to find a service and operators manual. I could use any info as I'm at a brick wall and need a ladder to get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by largeboar View Post
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    Who did you buy it from? Didn't they supply you with any kind of title documentation?
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    Never seen one before, nor could I find anything like it with Google. My guess would be an ARFF truck, based on the color. Or perhaps an offroad wildland truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcwops View Post
    Never seen one before, nor could I find anything like it with Google. My guess would be an ARFF truck, based on the color. Or perhaps an offroad wildland truck.
    I'd go with an International based ARFF but anything beyond that is a cr@pshoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by largeboar View Post
    We bought this truck to fix up and cant find any data plate or id. Has anyone seen one and if so know where. I need to find a service and operators manual. I could use any info as I'm at a brick wall and need a ladder to get over it.
    Ummm, call me silly here, but why in the hell would you buy a truck with absolutely no knowledge of what it is or who manufactured it????

    My guess is a combination ARFF/Structural unit. Looks too new to be a Walter chassis. Does not appear to be an Oshkosh. Looks similar to units used in the antarctic or other regions with extremely heavy snows. Check with those manufacturers.
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    Ok, so tell us the REAL story. Nobody would buy it and not know what it is. It sits at this lot and looks like it would be kewl,so you are asking about it?

    Anyways, it is an International cab. Look at the door handle.

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    Did International ever build anything with articulated steering?

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    I'm thinking ex-military? Maybe not ours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    Did International ever build anything with articulated steering?

    I am not sure. It is clearly an IH door handle, but much of it looks like sort of an experiment. The place where it is sitting does some fancy off road equipment, so perhaps they are the original poster.

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    Nowhere does the OP state it is a fire department, so this may be a project for them, or it may be something they put together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I'm thinking ex-military? Maybe not ours?
    I could go along with it being a foreign job, other than it looks a lot bigger than a lot of foreign equipment usually is. There used to be a website that profiled every type of ARFF truck the USAF ever had, and I don't recall seeing anything articulated like this one.

    Maybe it is a one-off or prototype. Also, for being an ARFF truck I see no turrets, although they could have been removed at some point.

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    Ok, found this site. http://www.dodfire.com/ I went through the entire site, looked at every picture of every truck and didn't see this truck. However I did find a photo of an articulating truck built on a Cat dirt mover style body.
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    To me, the lack of turrets, what appears to be the lack of a pump engine, (at least a LARGE pump engine) and the overall size, I don't think it is is ARFF.

    With a smaller engine for a pump I could see a wildland rig. Maybe something from SVI there in CO.

    But just looking at the front, something cries out to me, SNOW. I know, no tracks, but it just looks like the front end of something you would see going through a snowbank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcwops View Post
    Ok, found this site. http://www.dodfire.com/ I went through the entire site, looked at every picture of every truck and didn't see this truck. However I did find a photo of an articulating truck built on a Cat dirt mover style body.
    Cat built quite a few specialized articulated chassis like this for ARFF rigs, entirely for civilian airports (none were used by the Military that I am familiar with.) The NY/NJ Port Authority had several of them at Newark, Laguardia and JFK airports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    To me, the lack of turrets, what appears to be the lack of a pump engine, (at least a LARGE pump engine) and the overall size, I don't think it is is ARFF.

    With a smaller engine for a pump I could see a wildland rig. Maybe something from SVI there in CO.

    But just looking at the front, something cries out to me, SNOW. I know, no tracks, but it just looks like the front end of something you would see going through a snowbank.
    Not all ARFF trucks had dual engines, in fact most smaller ARFF vehicles use a single engine to drive the truck and pump through use of a power divider. In the other thread, you can clearly see International logos on the door handle, however a search of International and ARFF hasn't turned up any clues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcwops View Post
    Not all ARFF trucks had dual engines, in fact most smaller ARFF vehicles use a single engine to drive the truck and pump through use of a power divider. In the other thread, you can clearly see International logos on the door handle, however a search of International and ARFF hasn't turned up any clues.
    OK,but still articulated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    OK,but still articulated?
    Many articulated ARFF rigs out there. Oshkosh has one, the model number slips my memory at this time. There is also a Canadian builder who makes one that is somewhat popular in the Great, White North. Also previously mentioned were the ones built using CAT chassis.

    I believe the Canadian builder I am thinking of is Foremost. The chassis is called the "Maurader." IIRC, Thibault was a popular body builder for this chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Many articulated ARFF rigs out there. Oshkosh has one, the model number slips my memory at this time. There is also a Canadian builder who makes one that is somewhat popular in the Great, White North. Also previously mentioned were the ones built using CAT chassis.

    I believe the Canadian builder I am thinking of is Foremost. The chassis is called the "Maurader." IIRC, Thibault was a popular body builder for this chassis.

    The Foremost Marauders that I find on the web show a drive engine before the articulation, and a pump engine behind the articulation.

    I realize there are many articulated ARFF rigs out there, I just am not familiar with ones that run a power train with divider or PTO past the articulation. I have no doubt that I am about to be show a hundred of them.

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    Kind of reminds of the Gamma Goat (google it, it pops right up).

    We had them in the forest fire service, they were surplus vehicles.

    It screams military surplus....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Kind of reminds of the Gamma Goat (google it, it pops right up).

    We had them in the forest fire service, they were surplus vehicles.

    It screams military surplus....

    If it is, it has been heavily civilianized. (Is that a word?)

    On the wildland forum he has some better pictures, including the rear tail lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Kind of reminds of the Gamma Goat (google it, it pops right up).

    We had them in the forest fire service, they were surplus vehicles.

    It screams military surplus....
    Doesn't look like any kind of Gamma Goat I've been on. The cab/drive section had four wheels on it, and the trailer had 2. Still 6 wheel drive.

    This looks like a Cat of some kind.

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    The Oshkosh articulated CFR rigs were the DA1500 and DA 1800. They were not in production long and I don't believe too many were made.

    General Mitchell IAP had one on the Milwaukee County Fire Department and only within the last year or so got rid of it.
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    My best guess based on the body is that it was a BLM Wildland unit probably a prototype.

    BLM used some articulated units in the late 70"s and early 80's. The ones I saw in use were based out of Nevada and Utah but we sometimes had them deployed to southern California. The units I saw in action were on an 8x8 chassis as I recall and probably built by Oshkosh.

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