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    Since the implementation of Rapid intervention Team (RIT) the portability of the RIT basket on the fire ground has proven to be an arduous task. The average weight of the RIT basket with tools is in excess of 200 lbs., requiring four members to transport the basket from apparatus to the fire ground. This process is fatiguing to the RIT members and presents the question of physical readiness of the team in the event a MAYDAY is declared. Not to mention 4 men are not always available to move the eqipment. I developed a rescue kart called the TURK. It alows 1 F/F To transport the basket freeing up more man power to run ladders or other equipment. I'm interested in hearing some feed back how other departments move their RIT equipment.

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    We use four members to transport the basket from apparatus to the fire ground.

    We don't carry a ton of crap.

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    You're kidding me, right?

    How much? No, wait. It doesn't matter. You could charge $3K for it but some Volunteer outfit somewhere will buy it.

    We'll use the money instead towards physical fitness, so that we are not fatigued after walking to the command post with the basket.
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    If you don't have enough guys to carry the stokes (w/o this cart), then you don't have enough members on the FAST / RIT!!!
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    If you don't have enough guys to carry the stokes (w/o this cart), then you don't have enough members on the FAST / RIT!!!
    Ding, ding, ding... We have a winner..... Gotta agree with ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyboy View Post
    Ding, ding, ding... We have a winner..... Gotta agree with ya.
    YEP!!!....

    You could also get one of these for @$250- with a 300lb capacity....
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    What is a RIT basket?

    I'm guessing from the picture its a stokes?

    Seems like one more thing to squeeze into a compartment.
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    Cool Moving the Cache...

    Or I could use our money better and "man-up." (1) FF shoulders the RIT Pack the other shoulders the BA Pack and the rest of the equipment is carried using the tarp. LOL. I know this may be a "new concept" for a FF to carry equipment but it really works.....

    This process is fatiguing to the RIT members and presents the question of physical readiness of the team in the event a MAYDAY is declared.
    If my Guys and I are "fatigued" from moving our RIT Cache, as a C.O. I need to seriously smack myself in the mouth for not making P.T. more important. I'd be thinking of volunteering for a demotion since I've failed myself and my Guys.

    It alows 1 F/F To transport the basket freeing up more man power to run ladders or other equipment.
    My suggestion is to throw your ladders 1st because having all the equipment in the world is not any use if you can't get access to the personnel. How I divide my Crew is (1) Guy throws ladders, (1) Guy pulls the Cache and I perform my RIT 360. This leaves (1) add'l person to be assigned as I need them (forcible entry, etc). This works even with a (3) man Crew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THTMAN View Post
    If you don't have enough guys to carry the stokes (w/o this cart), then you don't have enough members on the FAST / RIT!!!
    +1 (Also +1 on "if your fatigued from just carrying RIT basket, your PT has failed.")

    We used to (still do) drag the RIT basket using two hooks as handles. Some companies are getting two small casters mounted at the head end, and move the RIT basket like a hand truck. Not big enough to interfere, but big enough to not be impeded be pepples/other small obstacles.
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    I think a better explanation is due here. First and foremost the invention of the TURK was not for the purpose of substituting man power. The statement made that man power may not be available was not to imply that a RIT operation is to be implemented without sufficient man power but that manpower maybe performing other duties such as throwing a ladder or correcting an immediate hazard like cutting bars off a window that the original company missed. RIT must be proactive and correct any immediate hazards that will not compromise the continuity of the team or limit it from immediate deployment. There is a cadre of tools that are essential to have available for immediate use when operating as a RIT company. This may vary from one department to the next however many departments require tools such as rescue saws, set of irons, lifeline, RIT Pak SCBA, TIC. I have never accepted the argument that we can use the equipment already on the scene from the first arriving apparatus. Needed equipment may not be available and besides that your men did not check that equipment when they assumed duty. The tools you use must be your own and getting them there is always a challenge when you factor in the distance and weather. I was assigned to a busy truck company that averaged 350 runs a month and a lot of those calls were RIT calls. I got tired of seeing my men run that basket up and down the street. My department SOGís dictated what equipment I had to have available for RIT, how we got it there was up to me. The ladder drag has always been a good method however rolling something is less taxing then dragging something. The guys love it because itís fast and simple. an attribute that is lacking in a lot of equipment today. Your department may operate differently and it may not have an application however if you have to move stokes baskets/litter baskets itís a great alternative to carrying it. Be safe out there!

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    IMO you report in as unit w/all your equipment, you stage your equiment while the Officer reports to the IC. You then further size up the situation and based on that you take proactive measures (addt'l ladders, etc.). If you are going right to work then you are not the RIT, you are another operating company. Not knocking anyone that tries to make their job easier, I just don't personally see a need for this as the RIT. A small device with some over sized caster wheels if you choose is fine. I don't think I could find room on the apparatus to store this big device either.
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    Sorry. Too big and bulky and I bet with a big price tag to match. But like I said. Some volly outifit somewhere with money falling out of their bungholes will buy it.
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    in chicago, truck companies were issued the "ladder lugger hauler" model, for RIT use. http://www.ladderlugger.com/

    from my experience, it is a huge pain in the *****. we have to store it in the pit, under the main (no room anywhere else). by the time you get up there, dig it out, set it up, etc. you could have carried the stokes basket a mile the old way (with four guys taking a corner). out of the last 5 times we were assigned RIT, we used it NEVER. waste of money.

    and if you do use it...say you end up needing to use the stokes for a RIT situation, now you have to disconnect the whole "ladder lugger" to get your stokes out.

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    Sorry. Too big and bulky and I bet with a big price tag to match.
    I couldn't agree more. Spend your money on more useful equipment.
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    Isn't it easier to carry less crap? It is not necessary to unload and entire rig into a stokes and lug it down the street or worse yet drag it down the street.
    Take a look at what you are bringing and why, is it something you will need immediately that is not readily availible on the rig in front of the building? Even the stokes itself... what is wrong with the one on the truck in front of the building?
    Take what you need, travel light and get in position to do your job. If it takes you five minutes to assemble and you kill your crew humping all this junk to the scene you probably weren't needed to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfTL41 View Post
    Isn't it easier to carry less crap? It is not necessary to unload and entire rig into a stokes and lug it down the street or worse yet drag it down the street.
    Take a look at what you are bringing and why, is it something you will need immediately that is not readily availible on the rig in front of the building? Even the stokes itself... what is wrong with the one on the truck in front of the building?
    Take what you need, travel light and get in position to do your job. If it takes you five minutes to assemble and you kill your crew humping all this junk to the scene you probably weren't needed to begin with.
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    Thumbs up great tool

    Can't speak for other depts however we carry the TURK on our ladder truck and its a great tool. It stowes away nicely on rear step so its out of the way. Our RIT basket is preloaded on the apparatus so we just slide it out of the compartment far enough to slide the turk on and then we roll it down the street like a wheelbarrow. We are required to have this equipment on the scene so picking and choosing what we bring is not an option, its standardized throughout the dept.. Its easy to attach it to the RIT basket and its fast, one firefighter can do it. If it makes our job easier it has my vote, regardless of price! Be safe my brothers...

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    We bought one, Carry it on the Squad, and use it. Takes no more space than the heavy duty hand truck that we also carry. Our Safety Officer has the authority to order a safety problem corrected immediately, and as someone stated above, window bars are a widespread problem in this area. There are times two guys move the RIT gear to the designated area while a couple more are doing windows or something. On our more relaxed suburban side of town, this "gadget" has been used to remove a jogger with an ankle injury from a hiking trail to the BLS unit.

    Back to the window bars: I strongly agree that a RIT Team should be a cohesive unit, not distracted by a bunch of other stuff. BUT, if a couple of Team members can take actions to make the team's actions easier IF they're deployed, then I see no problem with that, as long as everyone is within sight/sound of each other, AND they can deploy instantly.........
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