does anyone have some prices on what companies charge to do hose testing? places like waterway and others. just looking for ball park figures
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01-11-2011, 11:22 PM #1
Hose Testing costs
01-12-2011, 07:54 AM #2"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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01-12-2011, 08:03 AM #3
01-12-2011, 08:08 AM #4"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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01-12-2011, 11:43 AM #5
01-12-2011, 12:10 PM #6
They do everything including repack the hose beds and pre-connects, They give you a computerized inventory and testing report printed out and electronically.
Their charge was in the neighborhood of $1500.00
01-12-2011, 12:37 PM #7
Oh it could be though!
When spring comes and the cold is gone, maybe the first of May, take the hose out to a street or parking lot that isn't busy and test it your self. No sense in paying someone to do what you guys can do.
We have 40 front line pieces plus reserve and other vehicles and spare hose that would be tested. Each fire company does their own.Stay Safe and Well Out There....
Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers
01-12-2011, 01:16 PM #8
We did our hose ourselves, had a "training meeting" and took 2 trucks at a time out to our local school and got it down with department members. Boring job to do but saved us money. We got all of our engines (3) and our other stations (2) and even a mutual aid engine done in 3 different days of about 3 hours a day. As long as you keep doing it yourself your members learn what needs to be done and it just keeps getting smoother. I did not even know you could have a company come in a do it. Always learning on here.
01-12-2011, 01:25 PM #9
Like others have said, it's easy to do it yourselves and save the $$ for more important stuff. Here, most companies rotate it among all the shifts, so we end up doing it once every 4 years. It takes a couple hours and then you're done, it's really no big deal.
01-12-2011, 01:28 PM #10
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- Dec 2009
I used the local Waterway Franchise and they charged .21 Cents a foot. They also tested the ladders, repacked the hose, marked the sections and mailed me a cert record with results after the fact. I job out the maint. work, No wrench turning in house other then daily checks. Something goes bad, it goes to a bonded certified Mech. YMMV. This is what I have chosen to do.
01-12-2011, 01:44 PM #11
We found it was taking us 4 saturdays each year to get it all done, and the contractor did it all in one morning with 8 guys and a huge high pressure testing pump mounted on a trailer. All we had to do was supply out tanker to provide water.
Cost benefit for taking the crew away from family for 4 saturdays versus paying contractor = priceless !
01-12-2011, 03:41 PM #12
My career department is a different story. The cost for testing hose for 16 front line apparatus plus 7 reserve would quickly add up. Plus, we can do it on shift any time of day. You don't have that luxury with volunteers.
If you can swing the cash, I say go for it.
01-12-2011, 04:42 PM #13
01-13-2011, 10:03 AM #14
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- Dec 2005
If you have the manpower, equipment and trained to do it, obviously it is fine to do it yourself.
The problem nowadays is reduced manpower (both career and volunteer). Do you really want to dedicate "training" time to do hose testing? Although you can use regular centrifugal pumpers for testing, none of the pump manufacturers recommend it, and can void warranty if damage occurs. Decent amount of injuries also using fire appartus pumps. If you have a small pump designed for testing, it takes forever for a full compliment of hose to reach test psi. Finally, documentation must be properly completed. IMO, if you have the money, far easier to have it out-sourced. Not much different then vehicle inspections, SCBA, & ladder testing, etc.
01-13-2011, 10:41 AM #15
It's actually in our department bylaws that members must attend one of two hose testing sessions each year. The gung-ho among us (and most of the leaders) attend both.
We usually break it down to the big stuff one time, the small stuff the other.
Years ago we had 2000' of 2.5", then 3", on a supply truck to provide a water supply in the hamlet (no hydrants, but a mill pond in the middle). Since it seems like everybody has 1000' of LDH on board these days, we got rid of that and now just have the 1000' of LDH we carry to worry about.
That 2000' feet was usually the core of one test session.Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.
Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.
01-13-2011, 11:27 AM #16
Paid .22 per foot through Waterway. FailSafe is another company that does it.
Used to do it ourselves, on a few nights. Now, company comes in and gets it all done/recorded/etc in a few hours.
As stated above, the benefit of using up guys available time and training time outweighs the cost for us."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
01-13-2011, 12:02 PM #17
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- Dec 1999
I don't know of any departments in this area, Career or POC, who don't do it themselves. We're fourtunate to have the time and manpower to knock it out in about 2 weeks. We just do a few hours day. One truck at a time. We keep about an 80% backup. We put some hose on the ground. Plus, it keeps everyone complaining about one thing for a little while. No one enjoys it but it has to be done. Knock on wood, we haven't had any injuries despite some people acting immature. I'm getting better.
01-13-2011, 12:08 PM #18
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- May 2006
- Bryn Athyn, Pa.
I used to resist the idea of outsourcing testing, believing that in addition to saving money, it had good training value as well. However, after several years of it being shunted aside for other training needs, the decision was made to go to Waterways. They came in, stripped the hose beds (one engine at a time, of course), tested all of the hose and ladders, repacked the hose (parade pack, no less) and were gone by 1400. Last year was the second year for doing it, and I have become a believer.
Last year we also, for the first time, had our pumps tested by Supplee Bros. We had done that in-house, too, and that had also gotten by us.
There is definitely value in having a disinterested party doing your required testing.
01-13-2011, 06:23 PM #19
A question for all of those doing it in house: Are you using a hose tester , or using the engines firefighting pump?
We were told that using the engine's pump was not a safe practice that could cause damage to the pump due to the high pressure required to test hose.
01-14-2011, 09:10 AM #20
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- Jun 2002
- Glenn Dale Md, Heart of the P.G. County Fire Belt....
We do our own in House. And, we test at 300 PSI. If there is a problem with your pump at 300 PSI, have your next pump built by a different manufacturer. One thing that I'd recommend to the "Do it Yourself" folks - Have a piece of metal cut to the exact size of the inside of the Female coupling, and drill a 1/4 inch hole in the center. use this inside the first coupling off the discharge to limit the amount of water that will flow if there is a burst section of hose........Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
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