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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnVBFD View Post
    I am just going to worry when the maker of my doctors exam gloves stops production.
    How come your doctor has both his hands on your shoulders while giving you that exam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    How come your doctor has both his hands on your shoulders while giving you that exam?
    Does that fall under the don't ask, don't tell rule?

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    Found this article in the NY times tonight. Explains why the company shut down to avoid getting sued by NY.
    Hope you didn't prepay for your order.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/ny...loves.html?hpw

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    Fire Department to Replace New Gloves After Six Suffer Hand BurnsBy AL BAKER
    The New York City Fire Department has determined that its new fire-retardant gloves have a critical flaw: they do not adequately protect firefighters from burns. Since November, six firefighters have suffered second-degree burns on the backs of their hands fighting four house fires around the city, fire officials said. All were wearing the new Blaze Fighter model of gloves; in each instance, the gloves themselves were not damaged. The department is quickly moving to replace the gloves, made by the Glove Corp. They are now being worn by 6,500 firefighters in the 11,500-member force, at a total cost of about $850,000. The first sign of trouble came on Nov. 14, when three men on a hose line at a house fire in Brooklyn suffered second-degree burns to the backs of their hands. “The largest is the size of a quarter,” said James Long, a Fire Department spokesman. “It was blisters on the back of the hands, and on the fingers.” Three days later, a firefighter on a Brooklyn rooftop was burned in a similar fashion. On Dec. 25, a fifth firefighter suffered the same burns; on Jan. 23, a sixth, in the Bronx, was burned. The department bought the gloves in September, after a successful trial run. Officials at the time hailed them for their state-of-the-art design and tapered fit; they met National Fire Protection Association standards. But after the series of injuries, officials from the department’s safety command began an inquiry, using an “independent, outside expert” to determine if the physical make-up of the gloves had been a factor, Chief of Department Edward S. Kilduff said. The analysis revealed that the manufacturer had changed one of the materials used in the gloves. The change from a cotton fiber to a polyester blend made the gloves noncompliant with the national safety standards, Chief Kilduff said. The Glove Corp put out an advisory last month noting that the Blaze Fighter model had “encountered issues with the performance of the conductive heat resistance test,” adding that the company had received “reported cases of back of hand burns with a few pairs of this glove model.” This is not the first time the Fire Department has grappled with issues of equipment — or the lack of it. A controversy erupted in 2005 when two firefighters, working without personal safety ropes, were killed when they jumped from a burning apartment in the Bronx to escape flames. After the events of 9/11, failures in radio equipment — including a device meant to increase the signal of hand-held radios so it could reach the trade center’s high floors — were cited as having possibly led to unnecessary deaths. Communications on Sept. 11 were also hampered as firefighters were using old, analog radios instead of new digital ones, and as police and fire radios operated on different frequencies. “Their history with equipment has been really mixed over the years,” said Glenn P. Corbett, an associate professor of fire science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “The F.D.N.Y. has been a leader in development of new equipment around the nation; with air packs and hose lines and the halogen tool. On the flip side, they have also been, in some cases, slow to respond.” The Fire Department decided in 2009 to phase out the gloves that it had used for a decade. The Blaze Fighter model was chosen, mostly because firefighters liked them during a test phase. A Fire Department press release last year offered an endorsement from Firefighter Aaron Buch, of Rescue Company 1, who described being able to feel his “call button” through his glove to issue a Mayday after falling through a floor at a fire in Chinatown. The Fire Department has referred the matter to the city’s Law Department, said Gail Rubin, the chief of the city Law Department’s affirmative litigation division. The Glove Corp’s Web site does not list any of its clients, and telephone calls to its general manager were not returned. A woman who answered the phone said the company had closed as of Jan. 31, though she could provide no details. The closing of the company could complicate the city’s efforts to recoup costs. But possible legal or economic battles, aside, Chief Kilduff said, “The most important part of it, in our mind, is we need to get these gloves replaced as soon as possible.” The department has put its unions on notice about the problems and on Thursday evening sent a “department order” to every firehouse letting rank and file members know of the plans to get other gloves in place, soon. “We understand we have to act as quickly as possible,” Chief Kilduff said. “One injury is one too many.”
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    The bitterness of poor quality reamins long after the sweetness of low price, and in this case, the pain and suffering can be career ending.

    Caveat emptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    The bitterness of poor quality reamins long after the sweetness of low price, and in this case, the pain and suffering can be career ending.

    Caveat emptor.

    Good morning, Ray!

    Your quote means nothing though in this instance. The blazefighter is NOT a cheap glove!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    How come your doctor has both his hands on your shoulders while giving you that exam?
    Because I'm a government employee duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaster668 View Post
    Your quote means nothing though in this instance. The blazefighter is NOT a cheap glove!
    No but it is a cheap copy made overseas and NOW it is a non existent company that is on the lam to avoid lawsuits.

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    Changing materials after the testing phase of a glove is a dirty way to do business. Makes me want to replace all of our Glove Corp. X3s that we issed to a few guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    No but it is a cheap copy made overseas and NOW it is a non existent company that is on the lam to avoid lawsuits.
    According to their website, they WERE manufacturered in Arkansas with headquarters in Indiana. I have the Blazefighter EXT and really like them so far. It is a shame another US company is shutting their doors if this what is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imafireman View Post
    It is a shame another US company is shutting their doors if this what is happening.
    You're right. The injuries caused by doing dirty business practices pales in comparision.
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    For those who like to blame everything on LOW BID, these gloves were not. Having been part of the pilot program to evaluate the replacements for the horrendous FireGuard Commander Oven mitts I can tell you that the glove selected was chosen because of it's field performance compared to the other test gloves. The other gloves tested included, the dragonfire alpha, the pro-tech 8, Super gloves, and a few others. This glove was the best overall based on the feedback from the users. The gloves were tested by engines, trucks and rescues in various parts of the city and evaluations were submitted to FDNY R & D before any decision to purchase was made.
    To me it seems more like a quality control issue from a company getting too big too fast. Hopefully those folks Building fire trucks in Louisiana will take note too... this can happen to you, this is not the first vendor to go under from dealings with the FDNY and it will surely not be the last.
    As for those who think our bunker gear is the best because it is what we have, think again, try what is out there and make informed decisions on what works best for you. The morning pride deal was made long ago in a different era with alot of politics involved. I would venture a guess that if a field eval of different bunker gear was offered to members today the outcome would not be favorable to MP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfTL41 View Post
    For those who like to blame everything on LOW BID, these gloves were not. Having been part of the pilot program to evaluate the replacements for the horrendous FireGuard Commander Oven mitts I can tell you that the glove selected was chosen because of it's field performance compared to the other test gloves. The other gloves tested included, the dragonfire alpha, the pro-tech 8, Super gloves, and a few others. This glove was the best overall based on the feedback from the users. The gloves were tested by engines, trucks and rescues in various parts of the city and evaluations were submitted to FDNY R & D before any decision to purchase was made.
    To me it seems more like a quality control issue from a company getting too big too fast. Hopefully those folks Building fire trucks in Louisiana will take note too... this can happen to you, this is not the first vendor to go under from dealings with the FDNY and it will surely not be the last.
    As for those who think our bunker gear is the best because it is what we have, think again, try what is out there and make informed decisions on what works best for you. The morning pride deal was made long ago in a different era with alot of politics involved. I would venture a guess that if a field eval of different bunker gear was offered to members today the outcome would not be favorable to MP...
    key words: The analysis revealed that the manufacturer had changed one of the materials used in the gloves. The change from a cotton fiber to a polyester blend made the gloves noncompliant with the national safety standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfTL41 View Post
    ...The other gloves tested included, the dragonfire alpha, the pro-tech 8, Super gloves, and a few others...
    We just started switching to the dragonfire's ourselves. Have been very happy with them. Would be curious to see/know what results were found in the city, as you would put more wear/tear on them than I will.
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    FH Home page has this on their news bulletin

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    What a shame and shame on them. I have one of the original pairs of these gloves and I love them. Not only did they go out of business, they should be held criminally liable for the injured firefighters.
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    Already switched back out to my blue oven mitts.

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    See firefighterclosecalls for more infomation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jfTL41 View Post
    To me it seems more like a quality control issue from a company getting too big too fast. Hopefully those folks Building fire trucks in Louisiana will take note too...
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    You get what you spec out. If you spec out a ****ty cheap truck, thats exactly what you get. I've seen a cheap chief give his guys a real POS truck because he cut corners every way possible while our truck was scanned over with a fine tooth comb and has never given us any unusual problems. Dont be mad at them for your buyer's mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Ferrara?

    You get what you spec out. If you spec out a ****ty cheap truck, thats exactly what you get. I've seen a cheap chief give his guys a real POS truck because he cut corners every way possible while our truck was scanned over with a fine tooth comb and has never given us any unusual problems. Dont be mad at them for your buyer's mistake.
    I agreed with you other times, but you are getting in way over your head with these comments.
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