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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    A tender is served at Restaurants. Made out of chicken. Coated with a batter and deep fried, usually served with ranch, barbq or sweet & sour dipping sauce.
    Or found behind a Lo-Co-motive. T.C.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Or found behind a Lo-Co-motive. T.C.
    Ahhh yes I forgot about that one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Or found behind a Lo-Co-motive. T.C.
    UP 3985, two, sometimes three tenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoofTopTrucky View Post
    I'm sure this will split the room in half, but i got a good chuckle out of i so I thought Id share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sven73 View Post
    We just had a bid last week where there was a $160K spread between low and high bid. Pumper spec, 3 bidders, roughly 70K between low and middle bids, and the rest brtween middle and high.

    Spec favored the highest bidder.
    OK so I know I'm not the only one seeing this and yet it was only 3 bidders!
    Care to share the names/brand and I had a Top Mount Enclosed CAFS Pumper bid on a Custom and was a performance spec with about the same spread with 6 bidders.

    Interesting to see what those FD's who bought brand X and paid X $ and then see the same builder low ball a similiar truck whether a Pumper or Aerial and wonder geez they didn't even kiss me...or give me Kool Aid refreshment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerialguy11 View Post
    OK so I know I'm not the only one seeing this and yet it was only 3 bidders!
    Care to share the names/brand and I had a Top Mount Enclosed CAFS Pumper bid on a Custom and was a performance spec with about the same spread with 6 bidders.

    Interesting to see what those FD's who bought brand X and paid X $ and then see the same builder low ball a similiar truck whether a Pumper or Aerial and wonder geez they didn't even kiss me...or give me Kool Aid refreshment
    In the first engine I ever specked I found out that If and when done correctly, the bid process comes down to far more than just price. This Engine came in with 2 bids, under boro policy says there must be 3 so the bids were never opened, tossed in the shredder and the Bidding process was re-opened for another month and again only 2 bids came in. At this point we were now allowed to continue on. The bids were E-One at 500K and KME at 420K. Now keep in mind we went over our spec word for word with 4 companies, Sutphen, E-One, Pierce and KME. (Seagrave never returned phone calls) Anyway, we opened the bids are started pouring through them, comparing them to the bid speck. Now we understood that (for exsample) E-One uses 3/16" aluminum plate and KME uses 1/8" But since we speced 3/16" (for strength reasons not mfg reasons) KME should have bid an "Exception" and explained why 1/8" was sufficiant. But they didn't. there were other issues they missed, like the mobile data terminal (we handed them the toughbook specifications at our sit down with them). My point is, that there can be any number of reasons one rig comes in cheaper than the other. I don't know the specifics here but Im just sayin.
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    We had a bid for an aerial ladder where one bidder was $30,000 below everyone else. We did a spread sheet with our specs with each section a line in the spread sheet. We evaluated the bids for compliance to our specs and if not complient, what would it cost the bidder to be complient. (Estimated)
    Items I remember that were were not to spec by the low bid were size of alternator, size of water tank, number and size of crosslays and 20 other items. When evaluted this way the low bid would have been $50,000 higher to be complient. So we bought the low complient bid which was $20,000 less than the so called low bid. Many bidders will try to smoke screen the areas they are not complient with.

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    KME is great for providing bids that are almost completely non-compliant and then say that the department should review them " in the spirit of competitive bidding". They don't take total exception to the bid and just hope their price is low enough to get noticed.You'll really see this in a bid where a town council or mayor will make the final purchase decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sven73 View Post
    KME is great for providing bids that are almost completely non-compliant and then say that the department should review them " in the spirit of competitive bidding". They don't take total exception to the bid and just hope their price is low enough to get noticed.You'll really see this in a bid where a town council or mayor will make the final purchase decision.
    Just as famous as Piece is for providing written specs to departments for inclusion into their written specs so that they favor Piece?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sven73 View Post
    KME is great for providing bids that are almost completely non-compliant and then say that the department should review them " in the spirit of competitive bidding". They don't take total exception to the bid and just hope their price is low enough to get noticed.You'll really see this in a bid where a town council or mayor will make the final purchase decision.
    And that's really not being competitive. They're not competing on what was asked for in the spec. They'd rather change the fire department's operation to meet what they have to sell. They do it by approaching people who don't understand what the department is trying to accomplish.

    We had that happen with ours in 2006. A different manufacturer (two, actually) pulled the same thing. Their price was way low but what they were offering didn't even resemble what we wanted, and wouldn't have met our needs. The only way we could have considered their proposal would have been to throw out our entire spec, rewrite it around theirs, and rebid. At that point, after removing any proprietary items, everyone else would have been able to underbid them.

    Since we already had four good, compliant proposals, we were able to go with one that met our needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Just as famous as Piece is for providing written specs to departments for inclusion into their written specs so that they favor Piece?
    (Almost) everyone does that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    (Almost) everyone does that.
    True, but they are not as obvious about it.
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    Actually Buff, no one is holding a gun to the truck committee"s head and forcing them to accept any manufacturers spec to be published. If the department does that with Pierce, E-1, KME, Crimson, Ferrara, or anyone else, the decision was made by the fire department, not the manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sven73 View Post
    Actually Buff, no one is holding a gun to the truck committee"s head and forcing them to accept any manufacturers spec to be published. If the department does that with Pierce, E-1, KME, Crimson, Ferrara, or anyone else, the decision was made by the fire department, not the manufacturer.
    Ahahahaahahaahaha. Ok, whatever. I'll reserve further comment. Maybe it's time for Pa. to do one of those investigations (that the State of NJ did) in Bucks County.
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    Buff-?????

    Are you usaying someone is holding a gun to someone's head on a truck committee to purchase their truck? ( tongue in cheek )

    If the company in question is a typical Pa department then I assume they do not have to go to bid? They can buy from whomever they want, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    A ladder with a 2K pump in a Borough with hydrants that could probably barely give you 1K???

    You didn't get the kool aid. You guys all got the chip implants.
    Lmao, is that why I woke up with a shaved spot on my head?! We have good hydrants in the boro, I believe the last of the 6" and 4" is gone, and plenty of new 8-12" mains runnin through. I was hoping no one would see that pump under the roll up doors.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Ahahahaahahaahaha. Ok, whatever. I'll reserve further comment. Maybe it's time for Pa. to do one of those investigations (that the State of NJ did) in Bucks County.
    Hmmm, that could be interesting. For what its worth, next door will be taking delivery of a Seagraves mid year! Should be a kick azz truck too, can't wait to see it. But you're right, with huge trucks come huge price tags, along with the "Cause I Can" mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sven73 View Post
    Buff-?????

    Are you usaying someone is holding a gun to someone's head on a truck committee to purchase their truck? ( tongue in cheek )

    If the company in question is a typical Pa department then I assume they do not have to go to bid? They can buy from whomever they want, correct?
    Sven, I'm not going to say anything more, because you and I both know what goes on.

    Company XYZ wants Brand P, but is required by their municipality to go to bid.

    So Brand P sales person gives XYZ them the wording for their spec to ensure that it is exclusive to Brand P, thereby causing other bidders to have to take exceptions, getting the bid thrown out, the end result being that Brand P gets awarded the Bid by XYZ. There is no gun involved.

    But no, that would never happen, especially in Bucks and Montgomery Counties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg55 View Post
    I was hoping no one would see that pump under the roll up doors.....
    Lock them doors when you have curious visitors in the station....I even warned you I was coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Lock them doors when you have curious visitors in the station....I even warned you I was coming!
    Hahaha, that you did. It's a good truck, just a bit "confused". Thats all.


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    Company XYZ wants Brand P, but is required by their municipality to go to bid
    Pirsch still makes fire trucks?!
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