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    Our department is looking into purchasing a new F-550 with the new 6.7 TD. Concerned about the urea SCR technology, particularly cold weather and maintenance issues. Anybody out there had any experiences with this yet? We've even talked about the V-10, so if you have positive or negative experience with that let me know.

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    You might look at the new IH Terrastar also. Not sure if they are shipping the 4x4 yet. Similar price range as F550 cab size similar to the now departed Chevy5500. NO DEF/UREA with IH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    You might look at the new IH Terrastar also. Not sure if they are shipping the 4x4 yet. Similar price range as F550 cab size similar to the now departed Chevy5500. NO DEF/UREA with IH.
    I think the Terrastar will be a fantastic chassis to put under ambulances and lighter rigs. I looked one over at a builder recently and it looks like a fantastic option, as long as they can keep the price reasonably close to that of an F-550.
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    The Terrastar is great, but the pricing doesnt look so good. Ford needs to build a similar comercial chassis and keep it there. Whats unreasonable is that departments such as LAFD, who WIDELY uses ambulances (as rescues) won't be able to afford it, unless they keep it reasonable pricing. It's great though, for a Critical Care Unit like Medix' CCU International DuraStar

    Horton received 4 of these http://www.hortonambulance.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaze View Post
    The Terrastar is great, but the pricing doesnt look so good. Ford needs to build a similar comercial chassis and keep it there. Whats unreasonable is that departments such as LAFD, who WIDELY uses ambulances (as rescues) won't be able to afford it, unless they keep it reasonable pricing. It's great though, for a Critical Care Unit like Medix' CCU International DuraStar

    Horton received 4 of these http://www.hortonambulance.com/
    Depends on the life span you can pull out of it. We figure a ten year cycle for our lighter stuff (F-550s, etc.), but if we could pull fifteen years out of a Terrastar like we can our true medium duty stuff and engines, it may be worth the extra cost if you figure the added lifespan. It certainly is a nice cost alternative for those departments already running the bigger Freighliner and IH chassis offerings, especially if you don't need airbrakes.
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    Another example of You get what you pay for. IH is a truck, the F550 is a glorified pickup trying to act like a truck.

    Good bet there will be a several Terrastar at FDIC to look over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrfdchief View Post
    Our department is looking into purchasing a new F-550 with the new 6.7 TD. Concerned about the urea SCR technology, particularly cold weather and maintenance issues. Anybody out there had any experiences with this yet? We've even talked about the V-10, so if you have positive or negative experience with that let me know.
    To answer your question, I will give you some second hand information...There is a member of our department that has had his 2011 F550 with the new diesel engine since August. He has a construction business, so it does get used for hauling and pulling a trailer. I have not heard him say one bad thing about it yet. He loves the power it has and has made it sound like adding the urea is no big deal. He also stated that the local automotive stores are carrying the urea, so it is not hard to come across.

    As for the V-10 gas engine, our department does have one of these and are really happy with it. It has really good power and can get up to speed and beyond pretty quick, and we are loaded heavy. Only problem I see is that the mileage is only 8 mpg, but as I said, we have it loaded pretty heavy.

    One bad thing I see about the 2011 Ford F550 chassis is that there are no known SCBA seats available to be used in a crew cab officers seating position. So if you are looking for a unit that will be used for fire service, look in to it more. I hope this helps.

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    I will be in the market for another ambulance soon. I have been using medium duty IH but I am exploring more options. You are talking about the Ford and the IH Terra Star, does anyone have info on the new Dodge? I have seen an ad for it and said it does not need the urea.

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    Is anyone building on the Ford F650 for any fire or ambulance apllications? I believe you can get the Scorpion or a Cummins in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firesarge69 View Post
    I will be in the market for another ambulance soon. I have been using medium duty IH but I am exploring more options. You are talking about the Ford and the IH Terra Star, does anyone have info on the new Dodge? I have seen an ad for it and said it does not need the urea.
    IH will only be selling the engines without urea until they run out of government credits. Don't know what they're going to do after that happens as their engines don't meet the new emissions standards yet.

    Showed this picture in another thread as an alternative to the GMC/Chevy medium duty chassis.
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    That's the story from Cummins. A noninterested bystander who just hopes to be of assistance to IH.

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    The EPA 2010 cummins 6.7 DOES NOT need urea anything larger does.

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    One bad thing I see about the 2011 Ford F550 chassis is that there are no known SCBA seats available to be used in a crew cab officers seating position. So if you are looking for a unit that will be used for fire service, look in to it more. I hope this helps.
    http://www.hobostrom.com/en/fire/fr_...erDutySCBA.asp

    Try this H O Bostrom link for the air pack seats for the Ford.

    That ambulance is a different style chasis. Is that an Isuzu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firesarge69 View Post

    That ambulance is a different style chasis. Is that an Isuzu?
    Yes it is. As far as we know it was the first of it's kind in the country. It's in service in Kentucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firesarge69 View Post
    One bad thing I see about the 2011 Ford F550 chassis is that there are no known SCBA seats available to be used in a crew cab officers seating position. So if you are looking for a unit that will be used for fire service, look in to it more. I hope this helps.
    http://www.hobostrom.com/en/fire/fr_...erDutySCBA.asp

    Try this H O Bostrom link for the air pack seats for the Ford.

    That ambulance is a different style chasis. Is that an Isuzu?
    If you look at the first bullet link on the right side of the page you linked, it says:"Front SCBA seat with 5" fore/aft adjustment fastens to original seat mounting points." Roll over that and it shows you a picture of the officer's seat offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfyre View Post
    Yes it is. As far as we know it was the first of it's kind in the country. It's in service in Kentucky.
    Have you gotten any feedback from the department that runs it? Likes/dislikes, etc? While different looking, there seem to definitely be some advantages to the cab over chassis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoaddoggAK View Post
    Have you gotten any feedback from the department that runs it? Likes/dislikes, etc? While different looking, there seem to definitely be some advantages to the cab over chassis.
    I haven't but PM me and I'll give you the distributor's name and phone number. I supplied the chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFD_E73_RET View Post
    Is anyone building on the Ford F650 for any fire or ambulance apllications? I believe you can get the Scorpion or a Cummins in it.
    Yes. I've seen several ambulances on the F650 model. Horton for sure, I think MedTec also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoaddoggAK View Post
    If you look at the first bullet link on the right side of the page you linked, it says:"Front SCBA seat with 5" fore/aft adjustment fastens to original seat mounting points." Roll over that and it shows you a picture of the officer's seat offered.
    One thing to be aware of while using SCBA seats in F-series chassis: We have two squads that are equipped, well, were equipped with them for the rear seats, with a middle EMS shelving system between the two seats. We just reinstalled the rear bench back into one of the units.

    The issue lies with the fact that the seats sit further forward than the standard seating to allow clearance for the SCBA bottle. This presents a problem with the stock Ford seat belts becoming a nightmare. They will go around the guys, but once pulled out that far the Ford belts go into the mode where they "lock" and don't allow any freedom of movement (which is used for securing child safety seats, etc.), and then when they retract, only cinch tighter and tighter on the guys in the back. It seriously gets to the point the guys have to unfasten them and redo them while in route due to them tightening to the point of discomfort, limiting breathing, etc.

    If someone made an ABTS style seat for the Ford, I'd seriously consider it. Not sure if that would even be possible however due to seat mounting integrity requirements and so forth. Our problem is on 2003 F-550 chassis, so things may be different with the new style cabs, but I'd seriously look into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firesarge69 View Post
    One bad thing I see about the 2011 Ford F550 chassis is that there are no known SCBA seats available to be used in a crew cab officers seating position. So if you are looking for a unit that will be used for fire service, look in to it more. I hope this helps.
    http://www.hobostrom.com/en/fire/fr_...erDutySCBA.asp

    Try this H O Bostrom link for the air pack seats for the Ford.

    That ambulance is a different style chasis. Is that an Isuzu?
    See Flamefighter seats.

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    Personally,
    I'd recomment you step up to a F-650 chassis with an ISB engine and an Allison 3000 series transmission. I think you'll be a lot happier in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfyre View Post
    IH will only be selling the engines without urea until they run out of government credits. Don't know what they're going to do after that happens as their engines don't meet the new emissions standards yet.

    Showed this picture in another thread as an alternative to the GMC/Chevy medium duty chassis.
    Sorry but your statement about the International engines is false, they do meet the 2010 EPA standards and are not using Government credits to keep selling them. We use Internationals exclusively at my work place, I had a conversation with our rep about the EGR technology and if it would ever be replaced with the Urea system. He said without a shadow of a doubt that it would not, and the rumors the engines are running of government credits are absolutely false.

    Now I'll give my $0.02 in regards to the new Fords. And just so everyone knows I am a Ford man myself, I drive an F150. I've had a chance to look over the new 6.7L Diesel as well as their new 6.2L V8 Gas job. Both are outstanding engines and I was impressed greatly by the 6.2L, one of our Captains purchased one in an F350 and cannot say enough about it. As for the 6.7L Diesel, I really liked the engine. It was responsive, had tons of power and was so quiet I didn't think I was driving a diesel. The urea however, I'm still not a fan of the entire urea thing, so that put a damper on it for me.

    As for the International Terrastar, though I haven't had a chance to go through one in person. Our rep had nothing but good things to say about it (Of coruse he did, he is the International rep after all!) From what I've heard its a great rig (Albiet rather ugly) And if the Maxxforce 7 is anything like the Maxxforce 9's we are getting in our new trucks, then it gets a big thumbs up from me. I think we have a lot of good things yet to come from the new Terrastar. And I look forward to seeing some at the New England Fire Chiefs Show this year, but hopefully I can make the trip to our International Dealer and see one there first.
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