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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Like what?
    Another manufacturer (Not E-One) also introduced something LONG before Piece ever thought of it- rear steering rearmounts.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
    Well, ummm............ aluminum ladders come to mind.
    E-One didn't invent aluminum ladders "in the past few years" as he mentioned. I was eluding to E-One not having introduced anything new in the past few years, unless you count that Quest chassis.

    And yes, I'm aware that Seagrave had rear-steering aerials long before Pierce released their version.
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    I heard Pierce invented fire as a marketing tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    I heard Pierce invented fire as a marketing tool.
    I guess all those departments buying them must be stupid.

    The Pierce bashing sure gets old. Heck, I compete with them and I don't hate them.

    But then, I have spent my living around fire apparatus design, manufacturing and sales. I probably haven't spent enough time on a fire house commode to have a real opinion on the subject. Having dealt with literally thousands of departments doesn't mean anything either. Its the guys who have spent more time on a fire house commode who know it all. So, my question is, why do these experts have to spend so much time on the commode?

    I have a feeling I already know the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firepundit View Post
    I guess all those departments buying them must be stupid.

    The Pierce bashing sure gets old. Heck, I compete with them and I don't hate them.
    I've said the same thing...I don't care if it was constant KME-bashing, Sutphen-bashing, or any other manufacturer, it gets old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firepundit View Post
    I guess all those departments buying them must be stupid.

    The Pierce bashing sure gets old. Heck, I compete with them and I don't hate them.

    But then, I have spent my living around fire apparatus design, manufacturing and sales. I probably haven't spent enough time on a fire house commode to have a real opinion on the subject. Having dealt with literally thousands of departments doesn't mean anything either. Its the guys who have spent more time on a fire house commode who know it all. So, my question is, why do these experts have to spend so much time on the commode?

    I have a feeling I already know the answer.
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    I have said this before:

    I must say it always makes me shake my head when I meet people in Detroit or O'Hare on thier way to Appleton or Clintonville. These brothers and sisters are wearing their brand new P or S hats and shirts. I shake my head in awe and I am jealous of the machine that can instill such vigor in a person. Vigor that blinds them to the facts 1 We buy the same type engines they do, 2 We buy the same type pumps they do, and 3 we use the same metals that they do. Vigor that blinds to the fact that there are other people who build a vehicle just as good and in some cases(perish the thought) better than they can.
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    Its the DASH CF Chassis.....you gotta give it to them, their marketing is tops! Interesting to see what it offers. Saying larger windshield, engine moved back and lowered and seatc moved inwards for more front cab room.

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    Maybe Pierce will introduce a new version of the Lance and the Enforcer next year and then they will have all of the old models back. Could it be that their ugly Velocity/Impel is not selling that well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    Its the DASH CF Chassis.....you gotta give it to them, their marketing is tops! Interesting to see what it offers. Saying larger windshield, engine moved back and lowered and seatc moved inwards for more front cab room.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php...294476&theater

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    I think they didnt really move the seats inward. they made the cab wider, to i believe 101 or 102"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    Its the DASH CF Chassis.....you gotta give it to them, their marketing is tops! Interesting to see what it offers. Saying larger windshield, engine moved back and lowered and seatc moved inwards for more front cab room.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php...294476&theater

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php...040527&theater
    To me, the only REAL CF had a bulldog on the front of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffp20 View Post
    To me, the only REAL CF had a bulldog on the front of it.
    Was then, is now, always will be!

    How dare they?!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffp20 View Post
    To me, the only REAL CF had a bulldog on the front of it.
    So, Pierce invented the "CF" now? Whats next???

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcatee1 View Post
    So, Pierce invented the "CF" now? Whats next???
    maybe they'll invent a red bulldog with LED's for eyes for the front

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffp20 View Post
    maybe they'll invent a red bulldog with LED's for eyes for the front
    lol....that would actually be kind of cool! Mount it right above the Roto-Ray!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffp20 View Post
    I think they didnt really move the seats inward. they made the cab wider, to i believe 101 or 102"
    From their press release:

    "Useable Space

    The open interior layout offers all occupants a full view to enhance en route communication as well as enhanced outward visibility. The driver and officer seats are positioned farther inboard, providing far greater shoulder, elbow and hip room; and the flat floor offers an increased amount of space to stow turnout gear up front.
    The redesigned real estate between the driver and officer (along with a flat floor and no engine tunnel) offers more room and an uncluttered “workstation” space for the officer. The greatly enhanced officer area includes easy to reach mobile data terminal (MDT) power points."

    With a flat floorboard and no engine tunnel they could easily move the driver's seat inboard a few inches.

    Anyone got any pictures they can post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrtrks View Post
    I have said this before:

    I must say it always makes me shake my head when I meet people in Detroit or O'Hare on thier way to Appleton or Clintonville. These brothers and sisters are wearing their brand new P or S hats and shirts. I shake my head in awe and I am jealous of the machine that can instill such vigor in a person. Vigor that blinds them to the facts 1 We buy the same type engines they do, 2 We buy the same type pumps they do, and 3 we use the same metals that they do. Vigor that blinds to the fact that there are other people who build a vehicle just as good and in some cases(perish the thought) better than they can.
    What he said, plus something I have said before, and will say again......It's the folks who think that Pierce is the second coming of Christ that makes Pierce bashing so much fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffp20 View Post
    I think they didnt really move the seats inward. they made the cab wider, to i believe 101 or 102"
    No, its a 96" cab like the Arrow XT. I took a bunch of photos today, I'll post them later tonight. I'll say this, the room the officer has is incredible, and the seats being moved towards the center make putting on SCBA and seatbelts much easier.

    Oh, and the grill is for show only.
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    One advantage of a flat floor in rear is everyone in back can enter / exit out one side. I don't think the officer or driver will exit out one side.

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