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    Quote Originally Posted by ctxffman View Post
    One advantage of a flat floor in rear is everyone in back can enter / exit out one side. I don't think the officer or driver will exit out one side.
    If the crew in the rear of the cab are all going to exit out of the same door two of them will be climbing over the doghouse to get to the other side. The doghouse splits the rear of the cab.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ctxffman View Post
    One advantage of a flat floor in rear is everyone in back can enter / exit out one side. I don't think the officer or driver will exit out one side.
    Yes, but we did it for decades before the engine was pushed forward. In addition, I've seen a number of departments that are putting cabinetry in the rear of the cabs, which is splitting it like a engine tunnel anyway, so for some departments, this is a moot point.

    I asked the Pierce rep about how they'd handle it when customers didn't like the idea that the members in the rear couldn't exit out of both sides of the cab, and they said that had several other cabs to choose from if the department felt like that was a priority for them.
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    For the Pierce haters,
    Explain this to me...if the apparatus is spec'd out to the customers/departments saticfaction, then why do you have such hate towards Pierce? Isn't all that matters that the equipment works, makes the job easier, and provides firefighter safety? Everyone has their favorite...Pierce, Seagrave, Eone, Ferrara, ALF, etc, etc, etc,....

    I went through the RFI/RFP process. If you write an unbiassed spec, and are looking out for the best interest of your department and members, you will get the best product at the best price.

    Rather then continue to chastize a manufacturer, why don't we look at the positives they provide the fire service and firefighters. Because whether you like it or not, if they were providing a crap product, they still wouldn't be in service.

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    Random observation from the floor:

    Joining the Pierce PUC, Ferrara MVP, and Crimson Transformer in...let's call it the "alternative pump location" line are the eMAX from E-One and the PRO from KME.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctt447 View Post
    For the Pierce haters,
    Explain this to me...if the apparatus is spec'd out to the customers/departments saticfaction, then why do you have such hate towards Pierce? Isn't all that matters that the equipment works, makes the job easier, and provides firefighter safety? Everyone has their favorite...Pierce, Seagrave, Eone, Ferrara, ALF, etc, etc, etc,....

    I went through the RFI/RFP process. If you write an unbiassed spec, and are looking out for the best interest of your department and members, you will get the best product at the best price.

    Rather then continue to chastize a manufacturer, why don't we look at the positives they provide the fire service and firefighters. Because whether you like it or not, if they were providing a crap product, they still wouldn't be in service.
    Spec...smeck....

    How about the way the POS's are built??? Take a Quantum, and tell me how long it would take you to replace an alternator on a DD60??? 2-3 hours and a few choice words. Anybody else, is about an hour. How about the air filter??? Quantum...2 hours and a few more choice words. Everybody else, 15-30 minutes. Have a broken headlight assembly.... $600-800 and a couple more hours, and new choice words. Just about everybody else with dual headlights... $200 and a smile, 'cause it took you 30 minutes. Hell, just changing the 9004 headlight bulb sucks azz to do on a Quantum.

    I've got a good mix of manufacturers that we run. The only time I cry, cringe, or wish I called in sick, is when I see a Quantum sitting in the bay, that wasn't there when I left the night before.

    FYI.. we didn't spec or buy them. We adopted them through annexation. Stupid Mayor!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Oh, and the grill is for show only.
    Seriously? That would be nice -make it look like the old Arrows then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleJoe7197 View Post
    Seriously? That would be nice -make it look like the old Arrows then.
    Yes, a grill-less version had been mocked up, but hasn't been released yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
    I've got a good mix of manufacturers that we run. The only time I cry, cringe, or wish I called in sick, is when I see a Quantum sitting in the bay, that wasn't there when I left the night before.
    Want to do an internship with our mechanics? We have 30 Quantums.
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    Bet there's a bunch of sticky sheets in Priecedom this morning.


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    Piece should get an award for most unimpressive unveiling at FDIC

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    Piece should get an award for most unimpressive unveiling at FDIC
    Whoever at Pierce that decided to call it the "CF" should be kicked in the balls repeatedly until they spit blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Whoever at Pierce that decided to call it the "CF" should be kicked in the balls repeatedly until they spit blood.
    Damn! OUCH!

    I agree!
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    Can't type today.
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    The next thing you know...Pierce will claim credit for inventing the letters "C" and "F"
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    So what exactly did pierce do? Give us a bench seat up front and have the engine tunnel split the rear? Or did they go Hush style and have a completely open cab? Neither of these things are new.

    Maybe I'm a bit slow, but what exactly does CF mean? I've always heard mack CF but never knew what those two letters meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    So what exactly did pierce do? Give us a bench seat up front and have the engine tunnel split the rear? Or did they go Hush style and have a completely open cab? Neither of these things are new.

    Maybe I'm a bit slow, but what exactly does CF mean? I've always heard mack CF but never knew what those two letters meant.
    CF: Cab Forward. or charlie foxtrot...
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    thanks, thats what I figured. Although I think denoting that is stupid, if this new thing is a cab forward, what the heck is every other cab style?

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    Nothing new here. Move the engine back and set it lower in the frame rails.

    Trucks have been made like that going back to the 1940's.

    They had to do something as the new emissions and cooling requirements were making driver & officer space non existent and the doghouse hight was up to the drivers elbows.

    Trade off space in front for space in the back.
    One more thing: Whats the approach angle on the front end of that beast?
    While it might work well in flat paved cities , it would need it's own wrecker to tow it out of our hilly roads. That big front end would end up bottomed out everywhere.
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    Default Speaking of cooling

    I was wondering just that. How are they going to cool it? I don"t see any side air intakes. Is that grill functional or just ornamental? Then to hear and see a no grill unit even amplifies my question how are they going to cool it? I am sure there will be glitches (aka: puc pump problems).

    I must agree the letters CF have no patent on them but come on they have this huge marketing machine I am sure they could have done without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrtrks View Post
    I was wondering just that. How are they going to cool it? I don"t see any side air intakes. Is that grill functional or just ornamental? Then to hear and see a no grill unit even amplifies my question how are they going to cool it? I am sure there will be glitches (aka: puc pump problems).
    The radiator is located above the pump, and uses the same forced-air cooling system that's used on earth-moving equipment and city buses. The grill is ornamental only.

    I'll try to post some pics after lunch.
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