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    Hey guys, I know this looks bad but I really need to finish my homework for my fire science intro class and I dont have the book. If you knowledgeable firefighters can lend a hand to someone who desperately needs help.. then thanks.

    First question: The rear of a building is called "Division ____ "
    Second: What is the 2 in 2 out rule? I've heard its 2 go in and 2 are ready by the door. Corrrect me if Im wrong.
    Third: Why "accountability" on the fireground is important.

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    Excuses excuses... and yes it looks bad....

    First question: The rear of a building is called "Division ____ "
    It's not. It called the C side or Charlie side. A division is a floor.. or the basement or roof.

    Second: What is the 2 in 2 out rule? I've heard its 2 go in and 2 are ready by the door. Corrrect me if Im wrong.
    They don't have to be by the door, but they have to be ready.

    Third: Why "accountability" on the fireground is important.
    You have to know who is there and where they are so when the fecal matter strikes the rapidly spinning and oscillating air movement device, you can take a PAR and make sure you still have the same number of people answering the PAR as you did when you first arrived on scene.
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    1) Depends on the department. Some departments use numbers, some letters. My department uses letters. So the front side of the house is division A. Then proceeding clockwise, you label each side. So the left side of the house would be division B and the rear would be Division C for my department.

    2) You're correct. There needs to be 2 firefighters in full gear with equipment ready to enter the structure if something goes wrong before 2 firefighters can enter the structure for the call.

    3) Think about this one, it's quite easy. Why do you want to know who's on your crew, and where they are at a fire?

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    Haha, I really dont have the book! Ive had to look through online for answers and its been a pain since the start of class (5 weeks ago). As for the first question, are you sure about that? Because I would doubt my teacher would ask this question without making sure. But nonetheless, your help was greatly appreciated. Thanks Gonzo!

    Edit: stephen, thanks for the help also! Im guessing thats what my teacher was referring to for the first question. And yeah, I had a hunch about the last question but I just wanted to make sure. Thanks again.

    Wow this forums too helpful, Im gonna have to check on it daily now =]

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    It's not. It called the C side or Charlie side. A division is a floor.. or the basement or roof.
    In my department, it's Division C (incidating a side) and Division 1 (incidating the floor).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post
    Hey guys, I know this looks bad you're right, it does but I really need to finish my homework for my fire science intro class and I dont have the book. Good choice to get online and ask random strangers instead of calling a classmate or showing up to class early. If you knowledgeable firefighters can lend a hand to someone who desperately needs help.. then thanks. helping poor lost souls is what we do

    First question: The rear of a building is called the back"Division ____is for math "
    Second: What is the 2 in 2 out rule? I've heard its 2 go in and 2 are ready by the door. Corrrect me if Im wrong.You're getting warmer.
    Third: Why "accountability" on the fireground is important. Because some clowns can't do their own homework or be responsible for themselves, so the rest of the crew ends up babysitting them, hence the need for accountability on the fireground.
    Hope this helps. Feel free to let us know what your next assignment is so we can work ahead.

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    Hope this helps. Feel free to let us know what your next assignment is so we can work ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post
    No really, buy a book. 5 weeks into class and you're this unprepared? I know it's hard these days to get a book early. I'm actually trying to set up a store online where folks can get text books, hell ANY book, at a cheap price and quickly. I'm thinking about calling it Amazon.com.

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    Haha, I really dont have the book! Ive had to look through online for answers and its been a pain since the start of class (5 weeks ago). As for the first question, are you sure about that? Because I would doubt my teacher would ask this question without making sure. But nonetheless, your help was greatly appreciated. Thanks Gonzo!
    Yes, I am sure. I didn't get to my present position by being stupid... and 5 weeks into a course without having the book.. well, that's stupid.

    That's what is taught at the Massachusetts Firefighting Academy, that is what my FD uses as well as all of our surrounding communities. The front of the building is the alpha side, left is the Bravo, rear is Charlie and right is Delta.
    A crew working in the basement is the basement division, a crew on the first floor would be division 1, the second floor would be division 2, the crew opening up the roof would be the roof division.

    B, C and D sound too much alike, and if you have personnel that "eat the mike" or are screamers, you can easily misunderstand a command or miss a mayday location with deadly consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post
    Hey guys, I know this looks bad but I really need to finish my homework for my fire science intro class and I dont have the book. If you knowledgeable firefighters can lend a hand to someone who desperately needs help.. then thanks.

    First question: The rear of a building is called "Division ____ "
    Second: What is the 2 in 2 out rule? I've heard its 2 go in and 2 are ready by the door. Corrrect me if Im wrong.
    Third: Why "accountability" on the fireground is important.
    Hey guys, I know this looks bad but I really need help with this one. I half-assed my way thru training so I don't really have a clue and now I'm inside a burning structure. My partner's almost out of air, I don't know where we are or how to use the radio and I'm panicking. We are experiencing rollover and flashover is eminent. Do I....

    A; leave my partner and go for help
    B; take my mask off and let my partner have it
    C; cry for my mommy
    D: wish I had taken my training more seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post
    Hey guys, I know this looks bad but I really need to finish my homework for my fire science intro class and I dont have the book. If you knowledgeable firefighters can lend a hand to someone who desperately needs help.. then thanks.

    First question: The rear of a building is called "Division ____ "
    Second: What is the 2 in 2 out rule? I've heard its 2 go in and 2 are ready by the door. Corrrect me if Im wrong.
    Third: Why "accountability" on the fireground is important.
    If it was my class, I would give you 10 points extra credit for figuring out where to find the answers. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.

    You would need the points, as I docked you 10 points per week that you were unprepared.

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    We are the same for building sides. A-Alpha is front, then C-Charlie is the rear. However, divisions are the levels of the buildings. Division 2 is the second floor. For multiple underground floors, they start at zero, then negative (-1).

    Our 2in-2out is the same. However, it isn't practical or used very often. The scene and manpower dictates that rule.

    Accountability??? See DeputyChiefGonzo's answer. The BC pulls all the PAT's on all responding rigs so he knows who is who, and where.

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    This is almost as ludicrous as the student I had in an Entry Level FF course. The State of Wisconsin in those days supplied each student with a current edition of IFSTA Essentials, all nicely sealed in celophane. I handed out the books and told them about the reading assignments each week. Every week this student brought his book to class, still wrapped in the original celophane. I finally said to him "How do you use your book? Do you lay your head on it and hope the material will flow through the celophane into your head like osmosis?" It didn't matter, he never opened the book. I suspect numbskulls like him were the reason the state stopped buying the books.



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    5 weeks into class and you don't have a book that you are using to prepare for class? Sorry, like the guy above you are a waste of classroom space. If you want to be a firefighter then be one. Man up. Buy a book. Otherwise you are nothing but a slug having others do your work for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post
    Hey guys, I know this looks bad but I really need help with this one. I half-assed my way thru training so I don't really have a clue and now I'm inside a burning structure. My partner's almost out of air, I don't know where we are or how to use the radio and I'm panicking. We are experiencing rollover and flashover is eminent. Do I....

    A; leave my partner and go for help
    B; take my mask off and let my partner have it
    C; cry for my mommy
    D: wish I had taken my training more seriously
    In "ImBeaming's" case... c and d!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post
    Hey guys, I know this looks bad but I really need to finish my homework for my fire science intro class and I dont have the book.
    But I bet you've had plenty of time to party, hang out at the VFD, stare at your blue lights and touch yourself, fingerbang Mary Jane Rottencrotch through her perty pink panties, etc etc etc......Everything except grow up and realize you now have big-boy responsibilities......

    And questioning Gonzo.....I almost spit my drink on the computer over that one...

    You're lucky you got the answers. Mine would have been "5 weeks is long enough. Get the book and you'll have the answers." Do Mommy and Daddy know they are blowing their money???
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    I bet you wouldn't go to a structure fire without your SCBA......... If you want to be a firefighter get a book....... If you don't want to get a book drop out and become a dancer or something that being unprepared won't kill people

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    If you need a book to answer question #3 - you have no common sense.
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    I'm going to throw out a question.

    This isn't an issue with my current department, but was with my previous.

    You have a structure, let's say a large store, where the front entrance is actually on the side of the structure. The side facing the road is solid brick with no entrances.

    Does your department always define the side facing the road as the A side, even though it may not be the entrance side, or would you define it as they entrance side though it's not the side facing the road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post
    Hey guys, I know this looks bad but I really need to finish my homework for my fire science intro class and I dont have the book. If you knowledgeable firefighters can lend a hand to someone who desperately needs help.. then thanks.

    First question: The rear of a building is called "Division ____ "
    Second: What is the 2 in 2 out rule? I've heard its 2 go in and 2 are ready by the door. Corrrect me if Im wrong.
    Third: Why "accountability" on the fireground is important.
    Practice this phrase: "Would you like fries with that?"

    If you can't take this seriously you should really be looking at a different career. Grow a pair.

    In the mean time, should you get on a department regardless of your slacker attitude, do not be surprised when people don't really want to be on the same hoseline as you.

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    We use the main entrance side as the alpha side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm1524 View Post
    We use the main entrance side as the alpha side.
    Same with us, especially for houses on corners, the one with the most noticeable/clear "main" entrance is A.

    We have actually spray painted "A" in a big orange letter on the Alpha side if it's overly confusing, haha.

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    Okay so, let me tell a little about myself before I say anything. Im currently taking a fire science introduction class where I thought I would need to further my goal of becoming a fire fighter. But I was wrong. The class was pointless to take and I wasted money on it. I understand that I might as well use this class as an additional booster to give me some knowledge of firefighting but I just found out Im going to have to wait until four years from now to even start looking for a job as a firefighter/volunteer/paid on call. Wheres my motivation right now... no where. My dads a fire fighter and instead of motivating me, he's criticizing how bad the career path to become a firefighter is right now than a long time ago.

    Cliffs:
    Thought I needed to take class to further my plan to become a firefighter
    Found out I dont, I just need to take an EMT class/start low (volunteer/paid on call)
    Wasted money on a class Im not even enjoying/teacher isnt teach well either
    Dad's "un-motivating" me to become one and Im getting doubts
    I cant do anything when Im forced to go to a university where I cant pursue into anything related to fire fighting

    So for those of you bashing on me, dont be hatin.
    Im freaking 19 years old and I still feel undecided on what I want to do in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post
    Okay so, let me tell a little about myself before I say anything. Im currently taking a fire science introduction class where I thought I would need to further my goal of becoming a fire fighter. But I was wrong. The class was pointless to take and I wasted money on it. I understand that I might as well use this class as an additional booster to give me some knowledge of firefighting but I just found out Im going to have to wait until four years from now to even start looking for a job as a firefighter/volunteer/paid on call. Wheres my motivation right now... no where. My dads a fire fighter and instead of motivating me, he's criticizing how bad the career path to become a firefighter is right now than a long time ago.

    Cliffs:
    Thought I needed to take class to further my plan to become a firefighter
    Found out I dont, I just need to take an EMT class/start low (volunteer/paid on call)
    Wasted money on a class Im not even enjoying/teacher isnt teach well either
    Dad's "un-motivating" me to become one and Im getting doubts
    I cant do anything when Im forced to go to a university where I cant pursue into anything related to fire fighting

    So for those of you bashing on me, dont be hatin.
    Im freaking 19 years old and I still feel undecided on what I want to do in life.
    Wah wah freakin' wah..... here are some Hello Kitty tissues to wipe your nose and tears with....
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    PS : if you are looking for sympathy... it's in the dictionary between $#!t and syphilis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBeaming View Post

    So for those of you bashing on me, dont be hatin.
    Im freaking 19 years old and I still feel undecided on what I want to do in life.
    Here is my advice, and only because I was 19 and I went to college for one year with that same attitude... So I mean this in the most honest and nicest way I can without sugar coating my size 11 boot and putting it ___

    Your going to really regret not changing your attitude. If you have a chance at all to get a bachelors degree in anything, you have to do it. Look at every other thread on this site about people loosing their job or department cuts, and you have to see that life throws a whole lot of curve balls. Having that document in your hand is huge.

    I dropped out of college after 1 year and even skipped half my finals, I thought I had no reason to go since I was in pursuit of a career that after I got enrolled I found out there was less positions then people in my class. (state game warden).
    10 years later I found my self laid off, a mortgage, and best I could do was work 2 full time jobs in retail stores and a part time job at subway.

    After selling the house for less then I owed to prevent my self from going bankrupt I went back to college and now I have a degree, office job, married, and volly firefighter.

    I lost 10 years of my life because of attitude about school, if I had just buckled down and said if I didn't even get hired in my intended career field I could have got hired in a better job then working in a landfill and retail stores.

    Not trying to beat you down, just trying to tell you it is all about attitude and getting what you started done no matter what your career is.

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