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    Does anyone here have any experience with the Drager Thermal Imaging Cameras? We are specifically looking at the UCF 3200 with Thermal Scan. The price seems very good on these units, and they seem to have a lot of features. The feature set seems to put it between the Bullard T320 and T4 Max, but for several thousand dollars less.


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    Way overpriced from what I'm reading. List almost $14k? You have to be kidding (or have $ burning a hole in pocket). Got that in common with Bullard anyhow.

    Look at at the Eagle 320. Built for the way we FF in US. Can get complete set for well under $9000. Great TIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    Way overpriced from what I'm reading. List almost $14k? You have to be kidding (or have $ burning a hole in pocket). Got that in common with Bullard anyhow.

    Look at at the Eagle 320. Built for the way we FF in US. Can get complete set for well under $9000. Great TIC.
    It doesn't sell anywhere near that price. I have a quote for $6995 with 2 batteries, truck charger, and lanyard.

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    In my expirience, any time people save money by going with anything Drager, they end up wishing they had spent more money and gone with something better.

    They can keep that on the other side of the Ocean. We will buy American.
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    we've used drager packs, drager multi-gas, tic's, etc.

    The only thing we've kept are the packs and its not by choice (fairly difficult, when compared to other brands, to quickly swap bottles). We have not enjoyed using any of the products. Maybe their products are great but just didnt fit with our activities or uses. After using the msa brand tic, I have to say, it's a fairly decent unit for its price.
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    Edit: our TIC is Bullard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    In my expirience, any time people save money by going with anything Drager, they end up wishing they had spent more money and gone with something better.

    They can keep that on the other side of the Ocean. We will buy American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    In my expirience, any time people save money by going with anything Drager, they end up wishing they had spent more money and gone with something better.

    They can keep that on the other side of the Ocean. We will buy American.

    Ok, what packs are you using then to "buy American"?

    And after a long process, we bought Draeger packs in 2003, and have been very happy.

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    There is nothing wrong with the Draeger camera. Is it the best on the market? Probably not, but for the price - and bang for the buck - you could do much worse. The 3200 has a very nice picture.

    Inside scoop is that the low price is to clear out inventory to make way for the new NFPA compliant models that are in the pipeline.

    Look at what that tiny Bullard goes for once you add some options. I know where I'd be putting my money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    we've used drager packs, drager multi-gas, tic's, etc.

    The only thing we've kept are the packs and its not by choice (fairly difficult, when compared to other brands, to quickly swap bottles). We have not enjoyed using any of the products. Maybe their products are great but just didnt fit with our activities or uses. After using the msa brand tic, I have to say, it's a fairly decent unit for its price.

    Could you expand on what was not liked about this camera?

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    Yeah sure. We had our first one white wash (I really don't know the technical term, we brought it in a decent house fire for search and rescue and it failed and never recovered), the receiver never gave our IC a very good picture, we had a few that were really slow on response from the temperature selection buttons, and our main problem was no matter how many ways we tried to put the cameras in their charging dock you had a 7/10 chance it wouldn't make a good connection.

    Not really a big deal when you write it on paper but when guys are going around and moving tools, or the truck was running a lot, it would lose contact and the batteries were dismal.

    we went through a ton of batteries also, 6 months would give you a battery that didn't last long enough to use it.


    Like I said, we never really enjoyed drager's products, maybe our activities and style just didn't suit them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Ok, what packs are you using then to "buy American"?
    MSA packs are manufactured in PA aren't they?

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    Yep, and MSA is probably the only company that can even come close to claiming to be "american". (with the usual caveats about content)

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    Yeah sure. We had our first one white wash (I really don't know the technical term, we brought it in a decent house fire for search and rescue and it failed and never recovered), the receiver never gave our IC a very good picture, we had a few that were really slow on response from the temperature selection buttons, and our main problem was no matter how many ways we tried to put the cameras in their charging dock you had a 7/10 chance it wouldn't make a good connection.

    Not really a big deal when you write it on paper but when guys are going around and moving tools, or the truck was running a lot, it would lose contact and the batteries were dismal.

    we went through a ton of batteries also, 6 months would give you a battery that didn't last long enough to use it.


    Like I said, we never really enjoyed drager's products, maybe our activities and style just didn't suit them.

    And were these experiences with the current model of camera or an older one? How long ago did this happen? Was the manufacturer ever notified of the issues? Did they do anything to try to fix them or take care of the problem? I'm not trying to bash what you are saying, I'm just trying to get valuable info.

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    If I'm not mistaken they were ordered in 2009, summer, and received them in the fall. We notified them and a rep came out, exchanged the white out unit, and gave us different batteries and regarded the charging issue as a wiring problem with our trucks and engines (ferrera). Ferrera was sent out and could not find a single problem. They stood behind their product and we exchanged the units for a few packs to make up for it. We never had a problem dealing with drager, we just couldn't really use their products consistently.

    Our bullards are really good, I'm not on the buying end and really only know of prices through the grapevine or an officer just discussing it.

    Every crew that goes interior or on the roof brings a camera and our IC uses a separate hand-held to see anything we call in as a cause for concern. The transmission between camera to hand-held is leaps and bounds better than drager's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Ok, what packs are you using then to "buy American"?

    And after a long process, we bought Draeger packs in 2003, and have been very happy.
    We use Scott, and have no plans of changing anytime soon. They are based in North Carolina, and started in New York. Heck of a lot more American than Draeger. MSA is from PA, and Bullard from KY.

    You have had your expirience, I have had mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    We use Scott, and have no plans of changing anytime soon. They are based in North Carolina, and started in New York. Heck of a lot more American than Draeger. MSA is from PA, and Bullard from KY.

    You have had your expirience, I have had mine.
    Scott is owned by Tyco. Tyco is a Swiss company.

    I am not saying you are right or wrong about your choice. I think the vast majority of the differences between airpacks comes down to personal choice and experience.

    My point is it is hard to pick a major company on just being US based. Try buying two way radio. The only US manufacturer - making radios in the US, is a barely known company that makes..Junque. IMHO of course. And to be honest, I wonder just how high their US made content is. Hard to find many semiconductors made in the US anymore. Want to bet those TIC's are major components from other countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Scott is owned by Tyco. Tyco is a Swiss company.

    I am not saying you are right or wrong about your choice. I think the vast majority of the differences between airpacks comes down to personal choice and experience.

    My point is it is hard to pick a major company on just being US based. Try buying two way radio. The only US manufacturer - making radios in the US, is a barely known company that makes..Junque. IMHO of course. And to be honest, I wonder just how high their US made content is. Hard to find many semiconductors made in the US anymore. Want to bet those TIC's are major components from other countries?
    Very true. However, show me any product this is 100 percent American made and assembled these days. I guess I am just trying to get as close as I can.
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