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    Quote Originally Posted by Trkco1 View Post
    Never said it couldn't be done with three. We run three minimium, my point is that the fourth makes things that much easier. Isn't that what a tool is? Something to make your job easier.
    I do agree that the 4th guy (or even 5th) would make things easier.. Or just all around better!
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    The rabbit tool or hydra ram is definitely dependent on the area you run. Yea, you can force doors with conventional forcible entry tools, but if you are going down the hall of an apartment building forcing many doors its quicker to use the hydraulic tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I agree with 2 saws, although my selection would be different.

    I like the rotary saw for metal of concrete. For venting a wood frame roof I prefer a carbide tipped chain saw. Further I prefer it NOT to have the depth gauge chain guard. I think if you are venting a roof and you can't tell the difference between decking and rafters or trusses, it is time to head back to rookie school and be retrained.

    But like everything else in the fire service to each his own...

    Stihl use to have a great deal on saws for the fire service. We got a rotary saw and a chain saw, both set up for the fire service, from a Stihl dealer for less than the rotary saw from a fire equipment dealer.
    TWO saws? Nah, I think that will be 4 Saws,18 hooks in various configuratons, couple denver tools,Lockbreakers,Door Storm,Various axes, Good selection of ground ladders, Ropes, Rit gear,Gas meters,salvage gear,straight crowbars,bottle jacks,dung forks,masonry pick,chimney gear,plumbers snake. T.c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFD21C View Post
    to add to my post before.

    I am not a huge fan of all the speciality tools that fill the catalogs. Just give me a well maintained compliment of basic tools and people that are good at using them.

    Sure a rabbit tool is great to have and has its uses. However I dont consider it to be a must have item. Same with a sheet rock tool. Sure it is great at pulling sheet rock, however it sucks on plaster and lath.

    I would much rather have a guy that is great at using a set of irons, instead of a rabbit tool. I would much rather carry a plain old pike pole and have the skill in using it.

    To me you can carry all the tools in the world. It is the skill and craftmanship of the men and women on the truck that make all the difference in the world.
    I agree about "speciality" tools. Some are just expensive crap. Others like the rabbit tool definately make life easier. If you don't have a need for one in your area that's fine, but it's very useful by me.

    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    The rabbit tool or hydra ram is definitely dependent on the area you run. Yea, you can force doors with conventional forcible entry tools, but if you are going down the hall of an apartment building forcing many doors its quicker to use the hydraulic tools.
    ...or high rise. Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    TWO saws? Nah, I think that will be 4 Saws,18 hooks in various configuratons, couple denver tools,Lockbreakers,Door Storm,Various axes, Good selection of ground ladders, Ropes, Rit gear,Gas meters,salvage gear,straight crowbars,bottle jacks,dung forks,masonry pick,chimney gear,plumbers snake. T.c.
    Obviously, I somehow offended you with my 2 saws comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    TWO saws? Nah, I think that will be 4 Saws,18 hooks in various configuratons, couple denver tools,Lockbreakers,Door Storm,Various axes, Good selection of ground ladders, Ropes, Rit gear,Gas meters,salvage gear,straight crowbars,bottle jacks,dung forks,masonry pick,chimney gear,plumbers snake. T.c.
    haha.. you must have LARGE trucks
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    I agree wholeheaertedly with 2 saws...one metal, one wood...but i prefer the Cutter's Edge saw for standard roof work.
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    Personally, one of the most useless tools I have ever used is the Hux bar. PLEASE do not waste any money buying that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Personally, one of the most useless tools I have ever used is the Hux bar. PLEASE do not waste any money buying that.
    haha its funny you say that, because we have one in our wide variety of tools and out of the 3 years ive been on this truck, we have NEVER used it.. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasldixon33 View Post
    haha its funny you say that, because we have one in our wide variety of tools and out of the 3 years ive been on this truck, we have NEVER used it.. haha
    We had them on all the ladder trucks and when 2 of the ladders went and were replaced with quints they made the move to the quints. So we still have them on any apparatus with an aerial ladder.

    I have seen it used once to lift a manhole cover...OOOPS, I mean Utility Access Opening cover. I slipped off the PC wagon for a second!!
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    Chain saws for cutting branches so the truck doesnt get scratched. Rotary saw for venting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rescuedawg View Post
    Chain saws for cutting branches so the truck doesnt get scratched. Rotary saw for venting.
    hahaha nice..
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    This may seem odd, but some form of chimney kit is helpful.
    We ran as a truck to a chimney fire this weekend and it was helpful to have mirrors, dry chem bombs, and chain weights (window weights) to use from the roof to knock the single most clogged chim fire i've ever seen. All this stuff takes up the space of half a rope bag. (The engines carry a kit with an ash pale and scoop.)

    Sounds corny, but it is the small, space conservative things you forget about til you need em...just my 2 cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by len1582 View Post
    In addition to all the hand tools mentioned a TIC and some sort of door opening tool, like a Rabbit Tool or two.
    I agree with Len, but you may have different forcible entry challenges in your area. Get the forcible tools your guys know and love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rescuedawg View Post
    Chain saws for cutting branches so the truck doesnt get scratched. Rotary saw for venting.
    Actually, our trucks and quints on my career FD carry 3 saws. A Cutter's Edge Chain saw for veting, a Husqvarna rotary saw, and a Stihl chain saw for cutting up trees.
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    I would much rather carry a Stihl to the roof than a rebadged Husky...

    Sorry, had to throw that jab in there
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    Every service truck carries both a K-12 and a chainsaw, which includes our 3 small service trucks as well as our heavy resue, light rescue and primary tanker.

    Typical residental fire we'll put 3-4 of each saw on scene. Commercial fires we may put as many as 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    I would much rather carry a Stihl to the roof than a rebadged Husky...

    Sorry, had to throw that jab in there
    And I will take that rebadged Husky all day over our old, tired, too damn heavy for what it did, Stihl.

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    In my opinion to have an adequate truck company you need a truck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGITCH View Post
    In my opinion to have an adequate truck company you need a truck...
    Sighhhhhhhhh, yep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Personally, one of the most useless tools I have ever used is the Hux bar. PLEASE do not waste any money buying that.
    Good for a parade truck, mounted on the side.

    Ohhhhh, look at that chrome shine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We don't have a truck company.

    We do very little vertical ventilation and our district requires very, very little forcible entry, so our "truck" tool needs are extremly basic.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Every service truck carries both a K-12 and a chainsaw, which includes our 3 small service trucks as well as our heavy resue, light rescue and primary tanker.

    Typical residental fire we'll put 3-4 of each saw on scene. Commercial fires we may put as many as 5.
    I gotta ask, given that you aren't doing very much vertical ventilation, what are you doing with all those saws? Are you running an arborist business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBarnes View Post
    I gotta ask, given that you aren't doing very much vertical ventilation, what are you doing with all those saws? Are you running an arborist business?
    Service trucks are required to carry both a K-12 and a chainsaw to receive full credit for the rating.

    We are required to operate 6 service trucks based on the size of our district.
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    There are a lot more uses for a saw than vertical ventilation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    There are a lot more uses for a saw than vertical ventilation.
    In our case, we use our chainsaws far more for brush fire operations and tree removals from roofs and roads after storms that we would ever use them for ventilation. As a rule, the service trucks handle the latter assignments on their own.

    Our K-12s are used quite often on truck accidents and truck cargo trailer fires on the interstate.
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