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    Quote Originally Posted by retiredchiefone View Post
    It would be in your best interest to take a look at a Rosenbauer Smart Aerial. The aerial has many safety features that keeps the truck in a stable mode. It is the only aerial that allows you to operate the nozzle as a water tower off the short jack side of the truck. This is accomplished through Programmable Logic Control that monitores the functions of the aerial 16 times per second. The soft tuch controls allows you to raise/lower, extend/retract and rotate right or left while changing or stoping the aerial motion without excetive movement of the ladder. The ladder has auto bedding of the ladder along with an envelope control that keeps the ladder from coming in contact with the body. The manufacturer also offers a galvannized ladder coating both the inside and outside of the steel structure. The warranty for the galavannized ladder is 25 years structural and 25 years corrision and rust resistence. Right know it is the safest aerial in the industry.
    The Smart Aerial is the only one I've operated, but it was really smooth and nice. All of our ladders, (well not all, there is one Pierce and one E-One) around here are Rosenbauer/Metz or Rosenbauer/RK. Seem to do well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    Theres a 27 LB difference, in favor of Duo on a 2 section 28' aluminum ladder. When you are doing 1 man throws, that makes life alot easier.
    Never really weighed ours. And we TRY to avoid one man throws. I',m guessin(without looking)that we are 66% Duo. I'll take a look now that you have Piqued my curiousity. T.C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFSKPII View Post
    The Smart Aerial is the only one I've operated, but it was really smooth and nice. All of our ladders, (well not all, there is one Pierce and one E-One) around here are Rosenbauer/Metz or Rosenbauer/RK. Seem to do well.
    As I alluded to earlier,I have NO,ZERO,NADDA issues with Rosenbauer equipment. When talking about aerials,is the Metz "IN" the Rosie smart aerial group?(I KNOW it's a "smart"ladder.) To brand any ONE brand of Ladder as the SAFEST is rather BOLD in my opinion.Especially if you are depending on a COMPUTER to allow/disallow action. SOMEWHERE along here some operator INTELLIGENCE plays in. Yes,even our Smeal has a "fly"computer. But it is only as good as the HUMAN that programmed it. I don't think you'll find many of todays offerings that aren't smooth and nice operating. OR SAFE. Just a musing from an OLD line Bull. T.C.

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    Working on this a bit more, looking for where to store two backboards and a basket stretcher on a 75' aerial quint. This will be similar to an E-One HP75/Pierce 75' Aluminum with side stacher hosebed. Ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    Working on this a bit more, looking for where to store two backboards and a basket stretcher on a 75' aerial quint. This will be similar to an E-One HP75/Pierce 75' Aluminum with side stacher hosebed. Ideas?
    A thought or two. Our Stokes is stored on the side of the bed section of the aerial. Our neighbors 75' Pierce has a pair of backboards mounted in a transverse compartment of the Taint just aft of the cab. Taint big enough to put anything else there but it used some wasted space and works GREAT. T.C.

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    think about not getting a waterway on the ladder, if you need to use the elevated master stream get a single piece of 100' 3 or 4 inch hose and an attachable monitor. Waterways are expensive to maintain and if they don't get used often are even worse. If you think you'll be using the main more for rescue and getting to the roof think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRUCK61 View Post
    think about not getting a waterway on the ladder, if you need to use the elevated master stream get a single piece of 100' 3 or 4 inch hose and an attachable monitor. Waterways are expensive to maintain and if they don't get used often are even worse. If you think you'll be using the main more for rescue and getting to the roof think about that.
    Agreed. For the number of times one uses a waterway......Ditch the pre-piped in favor of a detachable nozzle and a single 75' section of 3.5" hose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    Working on this a bit more, looking for where to store two backboards and a basket stretcher on a 75' aerial quint. This will be similar to an E-One HP75/Pierce 75' Aluminum with side stacher hosebed. Ideas?
    Is there room inside where the hosebed is to store the backboards?

    Put the stokes on the side of the main section, inside a box?? Put the backboard there as well????? For the number of times you would need a backboard off of a truck company, it's worth it to have to send someone up there to get it........

    Why 2 backboards??? Anything you get that would require 2 backboards you should have plenty of apparatus on the scene already......Personally I would think one backboard is enough (but then again I am also the person that thinks one backboard on a non-ems piece of equipment is too much.......)
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    how about in the hosebed? Have an extra divider an 1"-2" away from the wall of the hose bed and you can fit a backboard in the void.

    ditto for avoiding the pre-piped water way. Ours is more of a hassle for the 20 times we are using the ladder to go to the roof than it is the 1 time you need elevated master streams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    A thought or two. Our Stokes is stored on the side of the bed section of the aerial. Our neighbors 75' Pierce has a pair of backboards mounted in a transverse compartment of the Taint just aft of the cab. Taint big enough to put anything else there but it used some wasted space and works GREAT. T.C.
    Hey, isn't that the area (Taint) that they put pumps on quints? Tain't an engine, tain't a truck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Is there room inside where the hosebed is to store the backboards?

    Put the stokes on the side of the main section, inside a box?? Put the backboard there as well????? For the number of times you would need a backboard off of a truck company, it's worth it to have to send someone up there to get it........
    I'd second that. A shallow box can be used as backboard storage and be the back of a signboard for your FD name or logo? This is how our ALF tower is set up, though the box has enough depth for a stokes with the BB inside it.

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    Our demo we just bought ended up with a stokes mounted flat above the body on the engineer's side of the rig. Not ideal but it works. They (the station that runs it) shoved a backboard in with the ladders, which I took issue with, but haven't won that battle (yet). It seems to me that it'll hinder deployment of ladders.

    Having said that, if you're buying new and built from scratch, I'm sure that a builder could fab a specific spot with the ladders in their storage tunnel for a backboard or two, or like has been mentioned, over the pump house.

    Put a photo up to show where the stokes is... (credit to Bill Friedrich for his great photo)
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    Lightbulb Thanks TC, I'm coining the use of Taint instead of Quint

    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Hey, isn't that the area (Taint) that they put pumps on quints? Tain't an engine, tain't a truck!
    In fact, be it known from this day forth, I'll be referring to all Quints as Taints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    In fact, be it known from this day forth, I'll be referring to all Quints as Taints.
    I refer to the pump and tank space on a quint as "waste of compartment space."

    You can also call the rigs "Bi-Trucksual" (credit to Captain Gonzo)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    In fact, be it known from this day forth, I'll be referring to all Quints as Taints.
    Let it be known from this day forward that my QUINT will do MORE than your Tower,given crew for crew. At least I get out of TOWN once in awhile. More REACH, MORE firepower, what's NOT to like? You DO realize you are dangerously close to being KIDNAPPED,Yes? T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    I refer to the pump and tank space on a quint as "waste of compartment space."

    You can also call the rigs "Bi-Trucksual" (credit to Captain Gonzo)
    And BOTH of you can Bite my azz. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Let it be known from this day forward that my QUINT will do MORE than your Tower,given crew for crew. At least I get out of TOWN once in awhile. More REACH, MORE firepower, what's NOT to like? You DO realize you are dangerously close to being KIDNAPPED,Yes? T.C.
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    Few items...

    This rig will be an engine with an aerial on it. We arent setting up a truck company. The aerial affords more flexibility with eas of use for when its needed and for an aerial stream compared to the rig we currently have. We are switching from a 75' firestix boom (not a fan of the design) to an aerial.

    We carry two backboards on our engine. The rig being designed is going to carry the same compliment of equipment with a few changes.

    The hosebed isnt favorable, as hose takes priority with the limited size hosebed

    The storage on top of the compartments or the aerial box looks like a great idea, thank you!

    The fixed waterway is a main attraction of the rig, with the newer XT model Streammaster monitor from Akron, it will allow the waterway to function well at first floor level master stream operations (similar in range to the "telesquirt" booms). No clamp on monitor and hose setup will offer us that flexibility. The main reason for this rig is to have a ladder for immediate rescue needs as well as be able to place an aerial master stream with good range of motion in service quickly with our large wood frame apartments, condos, townhouses and single family homes.

    Thank you for the ideas...

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    Also...

    Im writing the specs, and Ive decided to take a shot at a crosslay option Ive never remembered seeing..

    Because we dont have the hosebed space for the lines to all come off the rear, crosslays are a necessity.

    I like the discharges on the panels (LA style), so I took it a step further. Adjustable dividers in the crosslay bed, to allow flexibility in the widths of the slots. Has anyone done this before?

    Basically, I envision 200' preconnects, with 100' of dead load hose under it and the preconnected portion attached to the panel discharge just under the slot. This allows the lines to be pulled and connected at any length up to 300' and without the hassles and pressure losses of swivels

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    Few items...

    The fixed waterway is a main attraction of the rig, with the newer XT model Streammaster monitor from Akron, it will allow the waterway to function well at first floor level master stream operations (similar in range to the "telesquirt" booms). No clamp on monitor and hose setup will offer us that flexibility. The main reason for this rig is to have a ladder for immediate rescue needs as well as be able to place an aerial master stream with good range of motion in service quickly with our large wood frame apartments, condos, townhouses and single family homes.
    This was one of the huge things that was on top of my wishlist for the quint, I wanted this ability to flow at an angle "above" parallel to the aerial. However, for reasons related to grant wording and finite financial numbers, we ended up with the demo in the photo. Certainly thrilled with the thing, especially considering what we had (nothing).
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