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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    That's right.If Operation Iraqi Freedom was started over oil,why are we paying closer to $4.00/gallon for gasoline instead of getting gas stipends as the tropps still on duty in Iraq watch the sand dunes collapse as we suck that country dry for our own tanker fleet?(Don't get me started on how few US flagged tankers and other merchies there really are)
    That's because you have a naive belief that oil prices are tied to our benevolent acts.

    They aren't. They are tied to what companies selling gasoline belief they can get from the populace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    That's because you have a naive belief that oil prices are tied to our benevolent acts.

    They aren't. They are tied to what companies selling gasoline belief they can get from the populace.
    What the??? You mean to tell me you and I agree on something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    That's because you have a naive belief that oil prices are tied to our benevolent acts.
    Are you telling me this man doesn't have me and my family's best interests at heart?



    It's like finding out that Santa Claus was murdered by the tooth fairy :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by 105 View Post
    Are you telling me this man doesn't have me and my family's best interests at heart?
    It's like finding out that Santa Claus was murdered by the tooth fairy
    Only if you and your family are major stockholders.
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    I remember back in 1987 being told to go to other ships claiming to be an engineer( I used to be before crossrating into being a Bosun's Mate) in order to obtain paint brushes and other gear we needed to clean and preserve my destroyer.None of the ships in Charleston naval Station would trade with any other ship because budget wasn't being passed by a Democratic controlled Congress.My Chief had to do some fast talking to some officers from other ships when "Fireman Hesson" was seen mustering for Quarters,Muster and Inspection on the foc'sle with my ship's 1st Division instead of with the snipes at their fair weather parade.It was a rare thing for me to be praised for not having converted to Seaman rating because I still had my Fireman(E-3) stripes on my dress uniform.
    I also remember being paid only up to date during the last couple months of 1987 because,again, the Senate was unable to pass a budget in order to keep the government working due to the Democrats trying to make things harder for President Reagan.
    That can't happen now because the Democrat still hold a majority in the Senate but even so,they can't get all non essential add ons they want into the budget with the Republicans opposing them.
    The reason these are the biggest budget cuts in American history is that this country has never had a President with the nerve to spend as much in his first year in office as Barack Hussein Obama has done.


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    Isn't it amazing how true that statement has been proved.

    The top ten democratic slogans are spot on.

    We found out today that the administration and the democrats are really not willing to cut anything. They are the ones playing games. The Army got half pay today and that was definitely not done by the House. This is the dems Playing games friends.

    Can your believe that Reid actually said that the Republicans do not care about womens health? How did he get planned parenthood get on the same level as womens health. This is the spin and shell game. Like comparing football with terrorism.

    Remember, his former counterpart, Nancy Pelosi said in November 2006, that it was perfectly OK for the Government to lie if it is in the best interests of the nation. Can you imagine what the media and dems would do if Boehner or Bush had said that? Typical.

    Remember, The GOP promised before the mid terms that they intended to cut 100 billion in spending and the democrats have the nerve to be surprised? The democrats failed to meet the requirements by not setting a budget for the last two years, like they are supposed to do. Incredible.

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    You tell me.I didn't vote for Barrack Hussein Obama and wouldn't even if you threatened to shoot my dog(sorry,Rex.You can handle that problem yourself) but I am looking at Libya like this:They are trying to overthrow a dictator and even though I think US troops will be deploying there in the future,I think that helping the revolutionaries by giving them air support is a good idea.
    Believe you me,it is taking a lot to admit that.But,apparently the rules DO change when a liberal Democrat is in the White House.
    I just wish that the media was hammering the President like they did to George Walker Bush for having the audacity to hope that he could get the United Nations to approve his enforcing their mandates against Iraq back in 2003.I think the UN was suproised that he'd actually do it since Bill Clinton went to them numerous times for permission but never followed through.
    Where is the UN mandate for this action,though and why aren't more Democrats opposing it since we have no interests there?

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    Actually, this time, it is. Ever wonder WHY France, of all countries, got involved FIRST?





    Way to swallow the hook.



    Obama raked Bush up and down for involving the US in Iraq without any threat to our national security.

    I'm sorry, when exactly did Libya threaten our national security? Or do the rules change when a Democrat is in office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Where is the UN mandate for this action,though and why aren't more Democrats opposing it since we have no interests there?
    There is exactly one (1) UN resolution related to our current "kinetic military action" (is that anything like "police action"?) against Libya. But that's ok, because The One is running.. well, he was touring South America when it started. You knew it was serious, because he cut his trip short by 3 hours. It's ok though, at least the French military was there on day 1, with their vast military experi... nevermind.

    There were seventeen (17) Resolutions whose violation authorized action against Iraq. Yet Bush is somehow a "war criminal." Uh huh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    I remember back in 1987 being told to go to other ships claiming to be an engineer( I used to be before crossrating into being a Bosun's Mate) in order to obtain paint brushes and other gear we needed to clean and preserve my destroyer.None of the ships in Charleston naval Station would trade with any other ship because budget wasn't being passed by a Democratic controlled Congress.My Chief had to do some fast talking to some officers from other ships when "Fireman Hesson" was seen mustering for Quarters,Muster and Inspection on the foc'sle with my ship's 1st Division instead of with the snipes at their fair weather parade.It was a rare thing for me to be praised for not having converted to Seaman rating because I still had my Fireman(E-3) stripes on my dress uniform.
    I also remember being paid only up to date during the last couple months of 1987 because,again, the Senate was unable to pass a budget in order to keep the government working due to the Democrats trying to make things harder for President Reagan.
    That can't happen now because the Democrat still hold a majority in the Senate but even so,they can't get all non essential add ons they want into the budget with the Republicans opposing them.
    The reason these are the biggest budget cuts in American history is that this country has never had a President with the nerve to spend as much in his first year in office as Barack Hussein Obama has done.
    Red - That's called "tactically aquiring", not obtaining. So much for honor and integrity right?

    As for the rest of your post, that is why I'm so wholeheartedly disappointed in our govenrment. I mean they have ALL sunk to new lows. Where does it end? Does it end with the American people demanding a smaller, less interfering federal government again? Just wondering.

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    Actually,Mexico DID send a convoy of relief supplies until there was a big stink about it which caused the trucks to be unloaded and take even longer for those supplies to get to NOLA causing more excoriation of President Bush.(it sounded like a commie sympathizer plot to me at the time.)
    I still say that if we retreated into isolationism again,there will come a day when someone needs help,calls for Uncle Sam to makee makee fixee fixxee only to hear "Tough Noogies" from the sitting President.
    Then people will REALLY hate us for not helping even if we still are the richest nation on the planet with the most capable miltary able to go beyond the bounds of their mission to break things and kill people in order to transport food and other relief supplies across the planet faster than any other country can.


    Quote Originally Posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
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    No one ever comes to our aid when we have natural disasters or any kind of national crisis, say, 9/11.

    ....Actually, they'll probably be happy to be rid of the arogant attitude that our foreign policy makers have established of thinking we can fix everything in this world. It's NONE of our business, we don't belong there. But, if you guys want to keep putting your heads in the dirt and ignore the issues, go right ahead, just don't fault others for seeing that it's not right.

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    No,we improvised,adapted and overcame.Those aforementioned ossifers INCLUDING me own Division officer who should have been saying "My man,right or wrong,he is MY man and not yours to punish" were after me for impersonation,even though I still wore Fireman's stripes(red) while in a Seaman's(white) billet.BTW,guess who sent me?Wasn't the Chief or Leading Petty Officer.
    They couldn't gig me for theft of government property because as soon as the budget did pass,I and the other guy who helped took what we'd gotten from our own ship's allotment back to the ships we'd gotten the supplies from and told them "Here's what we got from y'all back.Thanks much".Besides,I was asking my Div O how he'd like to be up on the highwire with me if I really was facing a court martial.You wouldn't expect a naval officer to back down from an E-3 like that.He knew I wasn't bluffing and that it wasn't an "I wuz only following orders.." defense.
    As to smaller government,we have to elect representatives who truly believe that and will leave office at the end of their terms instead of staying on for the bennies.Make them have to wait to be eligible for retirement like you and I have to,then we'll see fewer trying to get on the gravy train.

    Quote Originally Posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
    Red - That's called "tactically aquiring", not obtaining. So much for honor and integrity right?

    As for the rest of your post, that is why I'm so wholeheartedly disappointed in our govenrment. I mean they have ALL sunk to new lows. Where does it end? Does it end with the American people demanding a smaller, less interfering federal government again? Just wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    No,we improvised,adapted and overcame.Those aforementioned ossifers INCLUDING me own Division officer who should have been saying "My man,right or wrong,he is MY man and not yours to punish" were after me for impersonation,even though I still wore Fireman's stripes(red) while in a Seaman's(white) billet.BTW,guess who sent me?Wasn't the Chief or Leading Petty Officer.
    They couldn't gig me for theft of government property because as soon as the budget did pass,I and the other guy who helped took what we'd gotten from our own ship's allotment back to the ships we'd gotten the supplies from and told them "Here's what we got from y'all back.Thanks much".Besides,I was asking my Div O how he'd like to be up on the highwire with me if I really was facing a court martial.You wouldn't expect a naval officer to back down from an E-3 like that.He knew I wasn't bluffing and that it wasn't an "I wuz only following orders.." defense.
    Yep, that's about how it runs on the Marine side as well, not that I'm saying WE do that mind you, haha.

    As to smaller government,we have to elect representatives who truly believe that and will leave office at the end of their terms instead of staying on for the bennies.Make them have to wait to be eligible for retirement like you and I have to,then we'll see fewer trying to get on the gravy train.
    100% agreed, so how do we do this? I'm all for it brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
    Red - That's called "tactically aquiring", not obtaining. So much for honor and integrity right?

    As for the rest of your post, that is why I'm so wholeheartedly disappointed in our govenrment. I mean they have ALL sunk to new lows. Where does it end? Does it end with the American people demanding a smaller, less interfering federal government again? Just wondering.
    It won't end as long as there are groups who believe their slice of the public treasury is worthwhile and everyone else's is pork.

    One of the great paradoxes I observed is how many conservative firefighters would rant and rave about big government and taxes. Ignoring the fact that funding a FD was typically the second largest cost center of most municipality.

    One of my neighbors works for the largest aerospace company in America. He's as conservative as they come. He becomes almost apoplectic when it comes to discussions of big government. When I remind him that he works on a DoD contract and that he is a beneficiary of that which he criticizes he almost starts having seizures. He (like many of the tea partiers) view their benefits from government as good. It's "everyone else" that is stealing from the system. What they don't realize is that "everyone else" views them as "everyone else" as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It won't end as long as there are groups who believe their slice of the public treasury is worthwhile and everyone else's is pork.

    One of the great paradoxes I observed is how many conservative firefighters would rant and rave about big government and taxes. Ignoring the fact that funding a FD was typically the second largest cost center of most municipality.

    One of my neighbors works for the largest aerospace company in America. He's as conservative as they come. He becomes almost apoplectic when it comes to discussions of big government. When I remind him that he works on a DoD contract and that he is a beneficiary of that which he criticizes he almost starts having seizures. He (like many of the tea partiers) view their benefits from government as good. It's "everyone else" that is stealing from the system. What they don't realize is that "everyone else" views them as "everyone else" as well.
    WTF are you even talking about?!?!?!?

    No one even mentioned the treasurey and the govt. spending too much. What is meant by small federal government sir is the way it used to be, states were left to run things the way they see fit and the federal government staying out of everybody's ****ing business. In case you forgot I work for DoD, and believe me, my salary is nowhere close to breaking the treasury. Hell the Marine Corps probably uses the least money compared to all of the big players in govt.

    We have no need for Senators making 150,000+ a year. That's bull****. And we certainly don't need them making 150,000+ a year while considering **** like the DoD not getting money because they want to argue over the budget in turn possibly causing peope like myself earning a meager salary not getting paid and trying to figure out how to feed my family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
    No one even mentioned the treasurey and the govt. spending too much. What is meant by small federal government sir is the way it used to be, states were left to run things the way they see fit and the federal government staying out of everybody's ****ing business. In case you forgot I work for DoD, and believe me, my salary is nowhere close to breaking the treasury. Hell the Marine Corps probably uses the least money compared to all of the big players in govt.
    When you say staying out everybody's business. What do you mean exactly? I know you're salary isn't breaking the bank. I laugh out loud when I read criticisms of the compensation paid to public employees such as police, fire, and teachers. The critics of those professions have this belief those groups are wealthy because of their pay and benefit structure. I've never believed anyone is getting rich working for the government. Yet that is the political reality were are current faced with in our public discourse.

    I can assure you the proponents of small government have your salary in their sights just like everyone else that works for a governmental entity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It won't end as long as there are groups who believe their slice of the public treasury is worthwhile and everyone else's is pork.

    One of the great paradoxes I observed is how many conservative firefighters would rant and rave about big government and taxes. Ignoring the fact that funding a FD was typically the second largest cost center of most municipality.

    One of my neighbors works for the largest aerospace company in America. He's as conservative as they come. He becomes almost apoplectic when it comes to discussions of big government. When I remind him that he works on a DoD contract and that he is a beneficiary of that which he criticizes he almost starts having seizures. He (like many of the tea partiers) view their benefits from government as good. It's "everyone else" that is stealing from the system. What they don't realize is that "everyone else" views them as "everyone else" as well.
    Dang, a valid point. Blind pig and the acorn

    HOWEVER funding the 20% of the budget going to the DOD at least a CONSTITIUTIONAL basis. Unlike 90% of the other spending in the Federal budget.

    Before you start. Can we cut DOD? Yes, Non-warfighting BS. Starting with BREAST CANCER RESEARCH (yep that right). Then ALL EPA directed projects including emissions, all Interior directed projects (mouse, hare, turtle, fishies, etc). Anyone that starts talking about waste, fraud, abuse reform is a lying idiot and charlatan (see photo reference to "my" Iowa Senator Harkin).

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Dang, a valid point. Blind pig and the acorn
    How would you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    HOWEVER funding the 20% of the budget going to the DOD at least a CONSTITIUTIONAL basis. Unlike 90% of the other spending in the Federal budget.
    Like what other 90% is unconstitutional. Farmboy continues to reveal he is clueless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    How would you know?


    Like what other 90% is unconstitutional. Farmboy continues to reveal he is clueless.
    Why's he gotta be a clueless farmboy? I grew up on a farm, what a discriminative remark. Oh I get it, everyone that lives in the country is dumb. I'll remember to let my dad know that since he's a music AND English major. I'll also have to remind myself how dumd I am as well the next time I'm looking at my current college transcript with nothing but 4.0's on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
    Why's he gotta be a clueless farmboy? I grew up on a farm, what a discriminative remark. Oh I get it, everyone that lives in the country is dumb. I'll remember to let my dad know that since he's a music AND English major. I'll also have to remind myself how dumd I am as well the next time I'm looking at my current college transcript with nothing but 4.0's on it.
    You haven't been here that long. That's my pet nickname for him.

    He rants about big government and goes apoplectic if someone mentions getting rid of farm subsidies.

    BTW, I know a lot of smart people who are clueless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You haven't been here that long. That's my pet nickname for him.

    He rants about big government and goes apoplectic if someone mentions getting rid of farm subsidies.

    BTW, I know a lot of smart people who are clueless.
    Yep, politicians for the most part no doubt, haha. And Mr. Trump too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You haven't been here that long. That's my pet nickname for him.

    He rants about big government and goes apoplectic if someone mentions getting rid of farm subsidies.

    BTW, I know a lot of smart people who are clueless.
    SC also most dumb people are also clueless. In which party are you?

    And you're, as typcial, confused. Get rid of farm subsidies. Let the markets work. Iowa Republican party tried in the 90s got nowhere with the dems.

    Never lived on a farm, been a farmer, owned an animal other that a dog/cat. Married a former farm girl. Live in small town, corn fields on 3 sides of me. 2/3of my FF are farmers.

    The typical farmer here in Northern Iowa is way outside your tiny little socialist world. They run a large very capital intensive business. My asst chief's grain farm it a bit large that average. (I'm guessing) certainly has over $30million in "plant/equipment". Typically annual gross sales of over $6m. Totally at the mercy of weather, gov't stupidity fooling around with the market, and nonproductive leeches speculating/trading of the food they produce. Not my cup of tea.

    What have you ever done productive?

    Your, and the other lefties, silly whining farm subsides is as pathetic as the mindless "corp welfare" bleating. I won't claim to be that knowledgeable on the subject but I doubt Sam is paying much if anything out right now. For Corn, I think ends that is when prices reach around $3/bu. Right now corn is close to $8 a bushel. You greenwienies decided we should not drill nasty old oil wells but should pour our food stocks into fuel tanks. Result has been very high prices for corn/beans. Has then driven up price of meat (eat corn). Result has been Inflation, starvation in 3rd world countries. Typical idiotic leftist result of fiddling with free market.

    History of your farm subsidy. US decided to set the minimum price a farmer would get for food they raise and which FEEDS MOST OF THE WORLD. That is a "Minimum Wage" (which you socialists love) so the farmer can stay in business thru bad years. So there will be food on your store shelf NEXT YEAR. Expensive but so far no food riots as in EURUP, no mass starvation as in Russia many years of the 20th century. You ever had a problem finding food to buy? Overall has actually worked out better than most of the world's solutions for most of the world's population. Not so great for farmers as averaged out their net income to mediocre level across the years comprared to their capital invested.

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    Talking Cutting Federal Spending

    They are making this way too complicated. You slash every department, division, branch of government 10% across the board. Everyone feels the pain equally. I have NEVER seen a budget that can't be cut by 10% with relatively little pain since everyone has their budgets padded with all the nice to have items but end up not being necessary to make things happen. I've been doing this budget stuff for many, many, years and I'm telling you it's not that hard. You cut everyone equally 10% and put on your B#ll Sh#t ear plugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post

    And you're, as typcial, confused. Get rid of farm subsidies. Let the markets work. Iowa Republican party tried in the 90s got nowhere with the dems.
    Really? So why didn't they try during the first six years of the Bush Administration? Better yet, the GOP had a congressional majority in from 1994 through the end of the Clinton Administration. What legislation did they propose to get rid of ag subsidies that was demanded by the President.

    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Never lived on a farm, been a farmer, owned an animal other that a dog/cat. Married a former farm girl. Live in small town, corn fields on 3 sides of me. 2/3of my FF are farmers.
    Good for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    The typical farmer here in Northern Iowa is way outside your tiny little socialist world. They run a large very capital intensive business. My asst chief's grain farm it a bit large that average. (I'm guessing) certainly has over $30million in "plant/equipment". Typically annual gross sales of over $6m. Totally at the mercy of weather, gov't stupidity fooling around with the market, and nonproductive leeches speculating/trading of the food they produce. Not my cup of tea.
    I'm betting they cash their very socialist subsidy checks instead of returning them.

    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    What have you ever done productive?
    A subjective term. Be more specific.

    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Your, and the other lefties, silly whining farm subsides is as pathetic as the mindless "corp welfare" bleating. I won't claim to be that knowledgeable on the subject but I doubt Sam is paying much if anything out right now. For Corn, I think ends that is when prices reach around $3/bu. Right now corn is close to $8 a bushel. You greenwienies decided we should not drill nasty old oil wells but should pour our food stocks into fuel tanks. Result has been very high prices for corn/beans. Has then driven up price of meat (eat corn). Result has been Inflation, starvation in 3rd world countries. Typical idiotic leftist result of fiddling with free market.
    Really farmboy? There are no rightie organizations fiddling with the free market? You really are naive.

    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    History of your farm subsidy. US decided to set the minimum price a farmer would get for food they raise and which FEEDS MOST OF THE WORLD. That is a "Minimum Wage" (which you socialists love) so the farmer can stay in business thru bad years. So there will be food on your store shelf NEXT YEAR. Expensive but so far no food riots as in EURUP, no mass starvation as in Russia many years of the 20th century. You ever had a problem finding food to buy? Overall has actually worked out better than most of the world's solutions for most of the world's population. Not so great for farmers as averaged out their net income to mediocre level across the years comprared to their capital invested.
    I'm aware of the reason. I support them in some manner. I just like conservatives ranting about the big government and excessive spending while their snout is in the trough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    apoplectic
    Alright, who taught him how to use a thesaurus?

    Or was that the Huffington word of the day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefkn View Post
    alright, who taught him how to use a thesaurus?

    Or was that the huffington word of the day?
    ..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Alright, who taught him how to use a thesaurus?

    Or was that the Huffington word of the day?
    I was a medic numbnuts. I realize that type of language isn't understood in chief's circles. It has more than two syllables.
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