One product that was marketed at FDIC 2011 was the adhesive sheets designed to be applied to tempered glass prior to breaking out the window. I included a picture below of one of the products; Packexe SMASH. The two others were Glass Keeper and Protecto Wrap(which I already talked about in the FDIC new stuff thread)
Applying to a window takes time, although it may just be seconds.
Applying means you have the material right with you which might not be the case unless you're serious about this and come off the rig with a punch and the adhesive sheets in your hand.
Applying means the time spent covering the glass, in your opinion, is worth it.
Applying means that you determined the glass can't be broken without adhesive being applied first.
My question to you is... Is this realistic? Are we kidding ourselves? Are you really going to take the time to do this in the 'Real World'? Are you willing to pay good money for this disposable product?
Do you use adhesives at crash scenes now?
Will you consider using any of these adhesive products?
Are these products a lot of 'talk' and not a lot of 'reality' or do you feel that this is a valuable tool that will become accepted across the country?
What's your take on tempered glass adhesives?
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03-31-2011, 07:52 PM #1
Will You Use Adhesives When Breaking Glass?
03-31-2011, 08:29 PM #2
Due to a lot of the reasons you mentioned I doubt we are going out and order a bunch of adhesive sheets. Due to the way we operate and the LACK of problems experienced with our current operations we will probably continue as we have for the last twenty as to the method of glass removal and access. Do I think the adhesives have merit? Yes,but we don't have enough "jobs"where they would be REAL valuable to overcome the issues you listed. T.c.
03-31-2011, 09:16 PM #3
We used to use some stuff called Rescue Web years ago that was a spray adhesive and worked great. We tried some of the commercial adhesives from Home Depot and contact paper and found it wasn't as consistent. We have adapted to a number of different methods to keep glass off the patient, but I would at least have a look at the new stuff.
03-31-2011, 10:14 PM #4
Waste of time. Access the patient(s), cover him/her/them, and get on with the show. I have chopped up a lot of cars and never seen anybody injured by breaking (or broken) glass. Besides, if the impact is significant enough to require extrication, there's probably already a good bit of glass scattered all over anyway."Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.Ē
--General James Mattis, USMC
03-31-2011, 11:02 PM #5
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Will seriously review Protecto wrap product as sharps covering / cost basis versus damage to protective clothing/gloves. Downtime to gear and repair costs vs $89 dollar roll of material seems like a no brainer. Not sure about glass coverage but going to hands on trial in the real world. There is always opportunities to protect our Victims & Rescuers.
04-01-2011, 08:23 AM #6
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This is a very good bit of equipment, granted budgets may prevent its purchase.
Yes it is very easy to use and can be very quickly applied, as with everything it has it cons.
We seem to look for reasons not to have something. Try it first before you say it's no good.
At a crash scene we want to aim at working in a clinical environment, it greatly reduces the amount of glass fragments from contaminating the scene, medics dont end up kneeling in glass etc
Where you have a vehicle on its side its very good for managing the glass in the upper doors should they need breaking.
If its a controlled release then why not use it if needed? Do we really want to be happy with creating additional hazards, i agree there is little evidence of injury from glass debris, but surely our job is to minimise this risk in the first place.
Just because there is already shattered glass it doesnt mean we have to create more, casualty sheeted or not, it's use can as i say reduce future scene contamination from products of glass.
Ron if we are applying this it doesnt mean its needed to break the glass, its to reduce the mess.
Yes i would take the time to use it in the right situation and yes its worth it.
04-01-2011, 10:23 AM #7
As close to a last resort option, we'll put something on the window. It's not routine, it's not standard, it's close to the last choice. And we simply use duct tape.
Low budget, simple, available. Yes, takes time, but then again if we are at this point...time is not normally the crunch anymore."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
04-01-2011, 12:56 PM #8
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We have covered windows in the past using duct tape. Like mentioned before it was not a time crunch when we did it. I have already talked with dept about testing the protecto wrap, the main point of interest is the dual function of sharps protection as well as glass coverage. Thank you for bringing it to everyones attention.
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04-03-2011, 03:53 PM #10
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It's a figure of speech mate. Dont take it literally. What it's meaning is we don't want to make any more hazards/mess than we have to.
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