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    Quote Originally Posted by foooee View Post
    Having spent many years as a board member on the North Carolina Fallen Firefighters Foundation I want to talk about some things. The symbol was to honor those who died in the Line of Duty. There is nothing wrong with placing a tag on a car or truck if it is done in honor or memory. Individuals are open to their preference but it is up to the owner in the end. Where things are wrong is all the ripoff vendors that started selling them from coast to coast without giving its history and what they represented when they sold them. The one side benefit I found through the use of the Thin Red Line on display is the tighter bond it has created with all firefighters and family members who know what it stands for. I created NCFFF.org and have maintained it for for but all of but 6 months or so since the foundation has existed and the meaning has always been posted so all know its meaning. Lets not sweat the small stuff and honor the original intend of the symbol.

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    THank you sir, that was my original point before a certain someone came in here and tried to smear it. Also, thank you for creating NCFFF.org. It is a site which I visit regularly to check things out to see what's going on with the foundation.

    Oh yeah, Deputy Marshall, still waiting on a link for all of that "marvelous" nit witted information you spewed out about the design being a rip off from the cops. Tic-toc, tic-toc.
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    Default The Thin Red Line Origin

    I'll give you guys the history on where this version of "the thin red line" came from as it relates to the fire service. I know, because I was there when the idea was brought up.

    I was a member of a volunteer department in NC from '95-'07. It used to be a sleepy little town, one where you roll the sidewalks up at night after 9pm. Now, it's one of the fastest growing areas in the nation (Apex, NC). So, in the good ol' days like '96-'97, the cops would pull up on the front ramp when we'd be hanging out during those warm summer nights. There was a group of us, like 8-10 that were all young in service, and eager to catch first out on every call possible.

    So, one night when a cop was sitting out front, one of the guys asked the cop "hey, what does that blue line license plate mean"? The cop just said "it's the thin blue line, stands for law enforcement and the line we walk between good and evil". It became an ongoing joke, asking all the cops what it stood for. Some had no idea, which made it hilarious. So, being the smart *****e$ we are, we said "let's make thin red line plates to stand for the fire department". So, we all grabbed the front tags off of our cars/trucks, and painted them black and placed a thin red line of electrical tape in the middle. We wore them with pride....

    Shortly after this, a gentleman by the name of Paul Dunwell created the N.C. Fallen Firemen's Foundation. He was the Chief of one of our neighboring departments, and some of our guys were close to him. He asked if he could use our idea of the "thin red line" tag to show respect to our fallen Brothers and Sisters. We said "of course you can, no big deal", especially since the funds go to a worthy cause. And now, who would have known that when I make trips to the NJ Firemen's Convention in Wildwood, NJ, that I'd be seeing thin red line stuff being sold by vendors.

    So to answer your question new guy, the main purpose of the plate is to show respect to the ones' that have gone before us and made the ultimate sacrifice. Those that add stuff to it, don't know the meaning or the intent. It has nothing to do with being paid or volunteer. If anyone tells you different, have them come on here and talk to me. I know, I was there and was a part of it.

    Stay safe Brothers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDGloWorm View Post
    I'll give you guys the history on where this version of "the thin red line" came from as it relates to the fire service. I know, because I was there when the idea was brought up.

    I was a member of a volunteer department in NC from '95-'07. It used to be a sleepy little town, one where you roll the sidewalks up at night after 9pm. Now, it's one of the fastest growing areas in the nation (Apex, NC). So, in the good ol' days like '96-'97, the cops would pull up on the front ramp when we'd be hanging out during those warm summer nights. There was a group of us, like 8-10 that were all young in service, and eager to catch first out on every call possible.

    So, one night when a cop was sitting out front, one of the guys asked the cop "hey, what does that blue line license plate mean"? The cop just said "it's the thin blue line, stands for law enforcement and the line we walk between good and evil". It became an ongoing joke, asking all the cops what it stood for. Some had no idea, which made it hilarious. So, being the smart *****e$ we are, we said "let's make thin red line plates to stand for the fire department". So, we all grabbed the front tags off of our cars/trucks, and painted them black and placed a thin red line of electrical tape in the middle. We wore them with pride....

    Shortly after this, a gentleman by the name of Paul Dunwell created the N.C. Fallen Firemen's Foundation. He was the Chief of one of our neighboring departments, and some of our guys were close to him. He asked if he could use our idea of the "thin red line" tag to show respect to our fallen Brothers and Sisters. We said "of course you can, no big deal", especially since the funds go to a worthy cause. And now, who would have known that when I make trips to the NJ Firemen's Convention in Wildwood, NJ, that I'd be seeing thin red line stuff being sold by vendors.

    So to answer your question new guy, the main purpose of the plate is to show respect to the ones' that have gone before us and made the ultimate sacrifice. Those that add stuff to it, don't know the meaning or the intent. It has nothing to do with being paid or volunteer. If anyone tells you different, have them come on here and talk to me. I know, I was there and was a part of it.

    Stay safe Brothers....
    Thank you sir, hopefully that clears the air about things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Wow... being awfully critical of guys who didn't know it had some other meaning.

    It sure looked like it was for sale comercially, like a t-shirt. Or was that link to something else?

    http://www.emergencystuff.com/300102.html

    Gosh, no mention here.... wonder if they are even giving a piece to the charity?
    Chief, it used to mean something, then the vendors got a hold of it and saw $$$$$. All proceeds in our area go to the NCFFF, but up there I'm sure it goes right into the cash drawer.

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    Thank You Sir for this History Lesson and reminder of how we can remember those who gave all in the service.

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