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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Have an AFG to replace all our 1-1/2" and 2-1/2". Much of it 20-30 years old. Will be going to 1-3/4". Perhaps 3" Also buying 5"S for supply.

    Anyone using, or have mutual aid neighbors using, smaller Storz on attack lines? Feedback?
    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    I made no mention of precons. Or crosslays. Main area of interest is 2-1/2" (or perhaps will go to 3").

    Although you did not type "preconnect", your first post sure led everyone down that path.......


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    In my former dept. we don't use pre-connects. We would pull everything off the back...because we ALWAYS pull the engine past the fire building and leave the front of the building for positioning ladder trucks.

    No tools required to break down and pick up after the fire...a lot faster which
    is especially nice at -30 in the winter.

    L.A., I remember reading once that you are a Vermont native.I started teaching at the North Country International Fire School over 20 years ago
    and there are few departments around there that use reels and storz couplings quite successfully for attack lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by don120 View Post
    In my former dept. we don't use pre-connects. We would pull everything off the back...because we ALWAYS pull the engine past the fire building and leave the front of the building for positioning ladder trucks.

    No tools required to break down and pick up after the fire...a lot faster which
    is especially nice at -30 in the winter.

    L.A., I remember reading once that you are a Vermont native.I started teaching at the North Country International Fire School over 20 years ago
    and there are few departments around there that use reels and storz couplings quite successfully for attack lines.

    Don
    Not a native, but attended college just north of St. Johnsbury, then spent time in Ludlow, North Clarendon and with Essex Town and Colchester Center in the Burlington area. Basically lived most of my post college life in VT with the exception of a couple of years back in NY and in MA.

    Attended NCIFS many times and actually was an instructor there twice in the late 90's and 2001 teaching public education and juvenile firesetting intervention classes. Was also an instructor at the Chittenden County school several times.

    Essex Town and Colchester Center had storz couplings and attack lines on reels back when I joined Essex Town in '83. At the time Essex Town was using all 2" attack lines and Colchester Center was using 2" to a limited extent. Both were still using preconnects as well.

    After I joined the Center in '88, they switched back to 1 3/4" as we found the 2" too cumbersome but wanted to upgrade from 1 1/2", but kept using the storz couplings on the new 1 3/4" as we found them quite handy.

    Underhill-Jericho, and I beleive South Burlington as well, started using reels for attack lines at some point in there as well.

    I found it to be quite handy when unplowed driveways or snowbanks forced you to use longer attack lines.
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    There you go. Doesn't happen unless in a Wi city. Tell us all about LA next.

    What coupling Storz size are they using with the various size hose?

    Were they using with or without locks?

    Not using on 2-1/2"? That seems to be the most likely application is our area as much of the extra 2-1/2" and 3" is carried as rolls or donut rolls (thus the logic for sexless couplings).
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    Fyred hit a good point in a separate thread... If you are purchasing new hose lays, consider going to 100' sections (especially in your supply lines 2 1/2s or 3s). You have fewer couplings to mess with.

    That said, 3" is a pretty decent supply line. It can be a real B for an attack line...just sayin.

    2 1/2" is a pretty decent attack line. It can suck as a supply line...just sayin again.


    I have at least one monitor outfitted in 3" storz. It is a rim rider for industrial tank mounting. Anyway, Never had a problem with the coupling...

    More to the point, do what is gonna work for your department. But Fyred might be right, if you rely on mutual aid, then you probably need to be inter-operable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    There you go. Doesn't happen unless in a Wi city.
    You are hysterical. What are you a 13 year old girl?

    I never told you NOT to do whatever the hell it is you wanted to do. You asked for opinions and I gave mine and in your usual cry baby whiney *** mode because everyone didn't jump up and tell you you are a f**king genius you got all ****y.

    Flat out here it is. IF you are the chief (heaven help your guys if you are because you must be an absolute joy to work for if anyone disagrees with you) order the storz couplings on your next hose purchase. Step up, have the balls to be radical, and just do it. While you're at it put it on reels too.

    Now come back and post some ignorant crap about how I am saying you shouldn't do whatever you want to.
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    Dont invent a problem , just so you can come up with a solution. I cant think of a single time ,that the seconds that it took to couple a hose ,made any difference in the outcome.
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    I am confused. A common state for me I am afraid.

    A couple of times it is mentioned that people have rolled attack lines? Not on a reel, but rolled. Why?

    Also it has been mentioned that Storz lines being sexless make it easier to add lines, or unroll and hook up. Why? Don't you roll all your hose the same way? Seems to me even someone with the IQ of a dolt would be able to know that when you throw a roll that the threaded end will be at the far end and the female end with you - EVERY TIME, unless you can't remember how to roll your hose.

    But no preconnects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    You are hysterical. What are you a 13 year old girl?

    I never told you NOT to do whatever the hell it is you wanted to do. You asked for opinions and I gave mine and in your usual cry baby whiney *** mode because everyone didn't jump up and tell you you are a f**king genius you got all ****y.

    Flat out here it is. IF you are the chief (heaven help your guys if you are because you must be an absolute joy to work for if anyone disagrees with you) order the storz couplings on your next hose purchase. Step up, have the balls to be radical, and just do it. While you're at it put it on reels too.

    Now come back and post some ignorant crap about how I am saying you shouldn't do whatever you want to.
    Yes, you gave your opinion seveal times. Got it, you have not used Storz other than on LDH. Unless you know FD that are using such, or formerly used, then thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Yes, you gave your opinion seveal times. Got it, you have not used Storz other than on LDH. Unless you know FD that are using such, or formerly used, then thanks for sharing.
    Again, let me type his REALLY slow for you so maybe you can comprehend it.
    1) Obviously the set-up of storz couplings on all sizes of hose works since the Europeans have been doing it for decades.
    2) My point cearly was and remains, if you run a lot of mutual aid, and you have made it clear you do, then why would you want to buy hose that no one else could hook to, or pump to you through, without another set of adapters being needed?

    To me it is that simple and as of yet it is a direct question you have avoided over and over. You have chosen instead to turn this into some kind of playground vendetta posting dumb *** comments about me and Wisconsin. If you can't answer the question it seems this idea by you has been as well thought out as running former air force tarmac tenders overloaded and underbraked.

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    on the plus side if you do go storz attack line, you can get a bunch of really nifty adapters

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    Every had a time when your mother-in-law wouldn't just go home?

    Still interested it FD that use Storz on 2-1/2". US or Euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Every had a time when your mother-in-law wouldn't just go home?

    Still interested it FD that use Storz on 2-1/2". US or Euro.
    On my last department where we converted all the 1 3/4" to storz (described above) we never did convert the 2 1/2" for interoperability reasons (truck to truck supply).
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    Questions/concerns:

    Cost? If its more then no.

    Interop? This is a resounding NO. Can we get the same g-damn thread first?

    Weight? Gotta weigh more, right?


    Just don't see the need.
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    It's called National Standard Thread for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    It's called National Standard Thread for a reason.
    Amen, brother... wish it were true.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    I don't know. Cons include

    1. BIG coupling. One has to think it could get hung up easier.

    2. Cost.

    3. Interoperability. (unless you really believe that you are such a leader of the pack department that the others around you will follow suit. How many of your other ideas are adopted if it costs money by your surrounding departments?)

    4. Harder to put in any hoselay.

    5. That one in a million chance that it may be used to find ones way out of a fire by the sex of the coupling.

    6. LAF thinks they are a good idea.

    7. Weight.

    Pros include

    1. Quicker to mate.

    I don't know, it seems kind of murky to me.... NOT

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    Look, just like every other time neiowa comes in here with an offbeat idea he doesn't want to hear any negative thoughts about it. He only wants validation for his idea and he will continue to post until he gets enough people that have tried his idea and it worked for them. Even if the overwhelming majority point out multiple reasons why that idea is not practical he will not listen.

    I suggested over a week ago he just grow a pair and just buy the storz coupled hose if he wants it. Yet here he is still looking for validation...

    My bet is that in the average crosslay bed those monster size couplings will not fit properly and heaven help you if the coupling has to flip to clear the bed depending on which side you pull the load off from.
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