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    I think that is just their standard. I have taken the civil service exam with Columbus for other positions in the past and everytime the email with results has looked amost exactly the same. Besides, if they grade or rate any other way than specified on the csc website or in their information session they are asking for a lawsuit from someone.

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    Lawsuits are popular these days! No one is ever happy, it becomes frustrating when people get upset they aren't hired because they didn't perform as well as others in the process and then cost cities millions and others jobs because they had to play a card to get their way. But I agree, the city sticking to what is written is the best way to avoid that....hopefully I can find myself with a FOAM score as high as my written! Again, good luck to everyone.

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    so im sure you guys all got the practice test dates...is it smart to attend all 3? or just 1? and it is 8:00am-4:00pm. What are we going to be doing that entire time?!?!?!

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    Deff. seems like alot of people made it past the 71%. I passed but not with a score i wanted. I wonder if it's even worth going to any other test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s5rx7 View Post
    Deff. seems like alot of people made it past the 71%. I passed but not with a score i wanted. I wonder if it's even worth going to any other test.
    From the looks of it it might not matter what number score you got on the written. Not that I want the competition but I'd go if I were you. It seems like the FOAM is the most important part. I need to find more information on how this FOAM works, I've never seen anything like it and I can't attend any practice sessions because I'm moving from NYC to SF in the next month.

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    question on the Foam. It says on the study guide do not answer it as "How you would respond". If thats the case then how do you answer? I have never taken anything like the foam so any help is appreciated. It seems confusing.

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    They want you to answer and interact as if you are really in the situation. They are literally telling you not to say "I would do this" or "If that were me I would...". For example, say a segment of the FOAM has a bus driver asking you for your fare. When it is time to respond, don't say "I would pay my fare" or "I would be professional". You are expected to respond as if you are actually interacting with the bus driver. A possible response would be, "Yes, sir. Here is my fare. Thank you!"

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    Thanks again Hewartson. Are you on the dept?

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    I am not...been through the process, though.

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    so this foam segement is not like..what would you do if someone got in a wreck and you were first on scene? Is it more day to day activity in life then?? like meeting someone new..a kid asking to help find his mom...getting something off the shelf for an elder lady??

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF247-365 View Post
    so this foam segement is not like..what would you do if someone got in a wreck and you were first on scene? Is it more day to day activity in life then?? like meeting someone new..a kid asking to help find his mom...getting something off the shelf for an elder lady??
    Actually, it's neither. My example was generic as not to give out specific questions from the exam. The actual situations will be based on events related to being a firefighter. The key point is that you are expected to act out your answers rather than simply saying "this is what I would do". You need to be an actor, not a commentator.

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    alright thanks though...and im sure its easir said then done haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF247-365 View Post
    alright thanks though...and im sure its easir said then done haha
    No doubt. It feels really weird trying to hold a conversation with a TV screen!

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    @hewartsons47, how far in the process have you made it? this is my 3rd go, got myself tripped up in the poly segment from the last test group. hopefully i'll make 90 band again.

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    @berg- if you don't mind I think we would all like to know your past experiences with the PCT and FOAM; maybe just a little friendly insight. Was the poly something unusual or is it really something that they we should be concerned with if we make it to that point? If there is any info you don't want to disclose that is understandable...you know how it is, we are all just anxious to find out as much info as possible! Thanks, Reich
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    @all.... i sure as hell wish i had the benefit of this site my past two go's
    As simple as it sounds... CSC really does give you all the info you need. I've learned what i know a) the hard way b) by taking the Don Mcnea classes.

    go to as many practice PCT's you can, train your *** off. the stair climb will smoke your ***. 40 pound vest and you'll be nervous and tense. I've never failed any PCT event even the very first time in practice but on test day you'll be stressed. The FOAM is weird, first time i must of looked awful scored 70 band, second time had a good grasp on how to handle it, still it's weird for me. If you remember how dry the examples were in the information session...you did go right? the FOAM samples are exactly like that.

    My poly was the first time ever in that situation, dude grilled me for over an hour prior to hooking up the poly equipment, arm cuff was so tight i thought my hand would fall off, no ****, hurt like a mother. Best advice is be consistant with any answer you provide during any part of this entire process, verbal or written. I did not lie about anything, but was accused of "falsification".

    What i just told everyone cost me a few hundred bucks and 8 years.... keep it to yourself. got it!

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    berg......thanks for the useful information...you are the man, we all appreciate it!!!!!!

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    to clarify, i said "accused" in reality i was removed from the active candidate list under the removal standard of "falsifcation".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bergmeister View Post
    @hewartsons47, how far in the process have you made it? this is my 3rd go, got myself tripped up in the poly segment from the last test group. hopefully i'll make 90 band again.
    88 last test. Passed my polygraph, but not hired.

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    Hewartson47, did you get bumped out some point post poly? I've been told they'll cut anyone loose if they want you out.

    Or are you still on the active list?

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    check your PM's

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    thanks bud, got it.

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    Not sure which I'm nervous more about, the FOAM, or if I do get lucky enough to score high enough, the polygraph.

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    I am somewhat worried about the poly as well because im unsure of what they are trying to do. Are they simply looking for honesty or do they expect everyone to be 100% cookie cutter perfect? I have no record and do not abuse alcohol or any drug for that matter. But many experiment when young and dumb it seems outlandish to me that they would not consider you for the job anymore because of some mistake years ago. Any input from people with experience would be great. I scored a 91 on my written and I am very confident in my FOAM ability given my work history. Potentially winding up in the top band and being rejected due to a widely disregarded tool would be very depressing. I've never wanted anything more in my life!

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    my previous post covered exactly the approach required to move beyond the poly, if you have committed anything directly listed on the written removal standards do not lie, they will find out and you be removed from the candidate list.

    Post PCT and FOAM there will likely be around 600 to as many as 800 candidates on the eligable list, CSC doesn't not care if the postions get filled with those in the 90 band or the last person in the 70 band. CSC has guidelines and any isssue in violation of such will get you bumped. CSC does not have some alternate agenda, like most goverment jobs there's a bit of a game to play. Getting past the Poly does not mean you're in, still several hoops to deal with before appointment.

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