1. #1
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    N.W. Iowa
    Posts
    196

    Default Paid Volunteer Chiefs?

    I am trying to research if there are any volunteer chiefs that may be getting paid from the city. Also any input on volunteer members that are getting some pay for their time. I would appreciate all input, but am really interesting if anyone on the forum is from the mid west States such as Iowa, Wisconsin, Ne. etc.

    Stay Safe

  2. #2
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Bossier Parrish, Louisiana
    Posts
    10,617

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JSMV72 View Post
    I am trying to research if there are any volunteer chiefs that may be getting paid from the city. Also any input on volunteer members that are getting some pay for their time. I would appreciate all input, but am really interesting if anyone on the forum is from the mid west States such as Iowa, Wisconsin, Ne. etc.

    Stay Safe
    I know of several volunteer departments where the Chiefs, and in some cases all the Chief officers, and in some cases, Captains and LTs receive a stipend.

    I also know of many departments where the firefighters receive stipends as well. it's not all that uncommon.
    Train to fight the fires you fight.

  3. #3
    Forum Member
    backsteprescue123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    4,318

    Default

    At my "vollie house" we are paid per call. But its a combination department so some of our firefighters and our chiefs are paid.

    There are a few departments around here that are paid on call fire departments with full time chiefs.
    ------------------------------------
    These opinions are mine and do not reflect the opinions of any organizations I am affiliated with.
    ------------------------------------

  4. #4
    Forum Member
    FyredUp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 1999
    Location
    Rural Wisconsin, Retired from the burbs of Milwaukee
    Posts
    10,108

    Default

    I am a member of 2 volunteer FDs. One pays $12 per call and the other pays $10 an hour. Both departments pay the Chiefs, not even close to a full time salary but something to attempt to compensate them for the time they put in.

    Most so called volly FDs in my area are really POC FDs if you wanted to nit pick.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

  5. #5
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    2,036

    Default

    I always thought if you are going to have one paid officer on a volunteer FD it should be the asst. chief. Unless you have a really savvy mayor or board, who will actually track his work accomplishments? The Chief can set long range plans and basically set up the month to month priorities for the asst, chief.
    ?

  6. #6
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Green Bay
    Posts
    1,031

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JSMV72 View Post
    I am trying to research if there are any volunteer chiefs that may be getting paid from the city. Also any input on volunteer members that are getting some pay for their time. I would appreciate all input, but am really interesting if anyone on the forum is from the mid west States such as Iowa, Wisconsin, Ne. etc.

    Stay Safe
    Are you talking about a volunteer dept that has a FT chief? or are you talking about a chief of a volunteer dept who gets a stipend, but isn't operating in a full time capacity?

    I am from WI as well and where I interned it was a volunteer (paid on call actually) dept. The chief is a fulltime position and works a 40 (ish) hour week.
    The thoughts and opinions posted here are mine and mine alone and do not reflect the thoughts and or views of city or dept affiliation.

  7. #7
    Let's talk fire trucks!
    BoxAlarm187's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    3,315

    Default

    In my volunteer county, we have a FT chief who's a county employee, and he oversees the day-to-day operations, funding, and coordination of the five volunteer fire departments and one combination EMS agency in the county.
    Career Fire Captain
    Volunteer Chief Officer


    Never taking for granted that I'm privileged enough to have the greatest job in the world!

  8. #8
    MembersZone Subscriber
    tree68's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Jefferson County, NY USA
    Posts
    2,294

    Default

    Our chiefs can put in for mileage, but that's about it.
    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

  9. #9
    MembersZone Subscriber
    LVFD301's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    3,976

    Default

    I am paid only by the great love and adoration that is showered upon me by my firefighters, and patrons.

    What is really amazing is I was able to type that with a straight face.

  10. #10
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Clarksburg, IN
    Posts
    134

    Default

    LVFD you get that much. Here it doesn't pay that well. Or any. Don't seem to say volunteer when you get paid.

  11. #11
    55 Years & Still Rolling
    hwoods's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Glenn Dale Md, Heart of the P.G. County Fire Belt....
    Posts
    10,739

    Thumbs up And...........

    I'll try real hard to keep a straight face............


    Here, I'm a Volunteer. Period. The County has some Full Time Firefighters, and the Rank Structure to go with it, including a Chief. Volunteer Organizations, such as mine are just that, Volunteer. I saw that Scary Word "City" mentioned....... Here, Cities, Towns, whatever, have no influence over Public Safety, all Government interaction is at the County level. This keeps petty small town politicians from interfering with our operations. Volunteer Fire Departments are chartered by the State, and are Private, Non-profit Corporations (usually IRS 501c3). As a Corporation, we can buy and own our Buildings and Apparatus, conduct Fund Raising, select our Officers, etc. Sure is a lot easier than having to put up with small town politics.........
    Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
    In memory of
    Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
    Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

    IACOJ Budget Analyst

    I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

    www.gdvfd18.com

  12. #12
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    S.E. Iowa
    Posts
    84

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JSMV72 View Post
    I am trying to research if there are any volunteer chiefs that may be getting paid from the city. Also any input on volunteer members that are getting some pay for their time. I would appreciate all input, but am really interesting if anyone on the forum is from the mid west States such as Iowa, Wisconsin, Ne. etc.

    Stay Safe
    What exactly would you like to know? My dept is set up like that with paid chief and officers. We also are paid every quarter. There are 3 other depts around here that I know of that are vol but have some paid staff on them.

    PM me if you would like more details about our dept.

  13. #13
    MembersZone Subscriber
    LVFD301's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    3,976

    Default

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI

    I ain't in it for the money

  14. #14
    Forum Member
    scfire86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    HB
    Posts
    10,270

    Default

    If they're getting paid. Wouldn't that no longer make them volunteers?
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

  15. #15
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Bossier Parrish, Louisiana
    Posts
    10,617

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If they're getting paid. Wouldn't that no longer make them volunteers?
    Depends on if you use the department of labor criteria.

    The US Department of Labor allows volunteers to be paid up to 20% of the prevailing wage in the region for the same task. So in others words, if a Fire Chief, or firefighter for that matter recieved a stipend of less than 20% of what it would cost to employ a Chief, or a firefighter, based on the prevailing wage in the area (or region if no paid departments exist in the immediatte area), they are still considered by the DOL as volunteers. If that wage or compensation exceeds the "20% rule", they woukld be considered employees.

    This 20% rule does not include out of pocket expenses such as uniforms, fuel, etc.

    Also a volunteer compenation cannot be tied to productivity, or in other words, hours worked, or else they will be considered employees by the DOL.

    Our Chief is a volunteer, but he recieves a small monthly stipend. it's the same with our Asst. Chief.
    Train to fight the fires you fight.

  16. #16
    MembersZone Subscriber
    tree68's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Jefferson County, NY USA
    Posts
    2,294

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If they're getting paid. Wouldn't that no longer make them volunteers?
    It's the form of the operation, rather than the recompense, that I feel is the dividing line between paid and volunteer.

    I'd suggest that the terms should be "staffed" and "volunteer," except in some areas of the country, like Harve's, many of the stations are routinely staffed by unpaid personnel.

    In other areas, there's no staffing at the station, but the FF's are paid-on-call, part-time employees.

    A city near here routinely pages in off-duty personnel when they have a working fire - rather like a volunteer FD operates, but the FF's are paid OT if they report in.

    And in a large part of the country, there's no staffing, and the FF's get no direct compensation whatsoever (unless you consider comp as direct compensation).

    So it's really gray - and no wonder we can't agree on a definition.

    But back to that form thing - any fire department where reporting for duty when the alarm is sounded is totally optional is essentially a volunteer operation.
    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

  17. #17
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    N.W. Iowa
    Posts
    196

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jccrabby3084 View Post
    Are you talking about a volunteer dept that has a FT chief? or are you talking about a chief of a volunteer dept who gets a stipend, but isn't operating in a full time capacity?

    I am from WI as well and where I interned it was a volunteer (paid on call actually) dept. The chief is a fulltime position and works a 40 (ish) hour week.
    Talking about an all volunteer dept. where the chief may get a stipend for the time he puts in to keep things running.

  18. #18
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Bossier Parrish, Louisiana
    Posts
    10,617

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JSMV72 View Post
    Talking about an all volunteer dept. where the chief may get a stipend for the time he puts in to keep things running.
    Then he would not be considered paid. It would till be considered an all-volunteer department.

    For the purposes of the Department of Labor however, he would be considered paid and an employee if the stipend exceeded 20% of the accepted wage in the area for his position. In this case, it would be considered a combination department with a paid Chief.

    That would also be the case in Crabby's former situation.
    Train to fight the fires you fight.

  19. #19
    Forum Member
    Rescue101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    Bridgton,Me USA
    Posts
    8,162

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    I always thought if you are going to have one paid officer on a volunteer FD it should be the asst. chief. Unless you have a really savvy mayor or board, who will actually track his work accomplishments? The Chief can set long range plans and basically set up the month to month priorities for the asst, chief.
    Shhhhh! My Boss MAY read this! T.C.

  20. #20
    Forum Member
    Rescue101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    Bridgton,Me USA
    Posts
    8,162

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    I am paid only by the great love and adoration that is showered upon me by my firefighters, and patrons.

    What is really amazing is I was able to type that with a straight face.
    Glad you could, My screen is a mess now;Thanks! T.C.

  21. #21
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Rural Iowa
    Posts
    3,106

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JSMV72 View Post
    Talking about an all volunteer dept. where the chief may get a stipend for the time he puts in to keep things running.
    You might consider adding email option to your profile if you want additional info.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Congress may turn up heat on volunteer firemen
    By k2cfd30 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 167
    Last Post: 10-28-2007, 11:56 AM
  2. Number of volunteer firefighters is declining
    By britfan1 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 11-09-2005, 05:48 AM
  3. Firefighting in the great state of SC
    By Roofhook in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-06-2005, 01:42 PM
  4. Volunteer verses paid service
    By Justify in forum Canada
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 10-12-2003, 09:27 AM
  5. Paid FF. vs. Volunteer
    By actionj21 in forum Volunteer Forum
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 07-17-2000, 03:54 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Log in

Click here to log in or register