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    Default How Would Your Department Handle This?

    http://www.redbankgreen.com/2011/05/...t-on-tape.html

    Await court case to be settled before disciplining the members? Or suspend them all pending the outcome of the court case?

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    Definitely suspend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    Definitely suspend.
    Agreed. We've suspended for far less than that!
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    Suspend, most definately.

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    Being volunteer they would be booted form the department. If career, suspended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Agreed. We've suspended for far less than that!
    I know a department that's suspended for mooning people in a bar while wearing the FD jacket..... Back to the regularly scheduled thread.
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    Indefinite suspension pending trial, with permanent dismissal if found guilty.

    I have never understood these "wetdown" things- What the hell is the point? Whoop-de-doo you spray water at the new piece. Big frakking deal....What happens if the new piece gets damaged in the process? What's wrong with a simple housing parade?

    And once again, I state this is precisely why alcohol/bars of any kind should be illegal in firehouses.
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    ALL of those involved should be suspended MINIMUM....shouldn't the FD have Policies or SOG's that cover this sorta thing?.....just more WACKERS...

    The video of "the WET DOWN" is just another example of the stupid mentality in this Dept. SERIOUSLY, No one there saw the inherent danger and downright stupidity in actually turning a hoseline on the Firefighters STANDING on the hose bed of the engine?...in my opinion, IF one of those people had been hosed OFF the truck and suffered any injury or even worse been killed...then the full force of the law should be applied..WILLFULL and Premeditated actions.....

    and WHY would there be a "bar/Lounge" in a fire hall?....

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    Are those power lines overhead in the area they are spraying? Just one of many safety issues I see. You do ANY of that on my department and you are done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights FF View Post
    The video of "the WET DOWN" is just another example of the stupid mentality in this Dept.
    While I certainly don't condone wet downs, they are a part of the fire service culture in that area of the US. It's not something that's exclusive to this department.

    and WHY would there be a "bar/Lounge" in a fire hall?....
    There are a few areas of the US where finding a bar and/or lounge in the firehouse is very commonplace. They're stocked with department funds, and are justified "as a necessity to help recruit and retain members" and members will argue that "since they're not getting paid, they can at least have a few beers after a call or training session." This is certainly not the norm for most of the US, but it's not unusual when we hear about it either.
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    Suspend the criminally charged ones pending outcome of trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights FF View Post
    The video of "the WET DOWN" is just another example of the stupid mentality in this Dept
    There's nothing wrong with the basic concept of the "wet down." It's simply "christening" the new rig.

    When American LaFrance opened their new (at the time) facility in North Carolina (in the Freightliner days) they wet the building down with one of their museum piece steamers.

    The hijinks that went along with this particular wet down are over the top, though.

    There's two kinds of bars in fire halls. One is in that part of the building used for bingo and other fundraising. Most folks who want to rent a hall for a wedding want a bar, and it's hard to get by without one.

    The other is the one that's there for the member's pleasure. It's usually separate from the apparatus area (often upstairs). Not everyone who kicks back to watch the game/race/whatever does so with an "adult" beverage. In that regard, I don't have much of an issue with such a facility. Unless the department is totally out of control, they tend to be self-policing.

    It's not much different than having a bar across the street or down the road, except there you've got to pay for your drinks.

    An event such as the wet down in the video doesn't need a bar - a few coolers full of beer and a table full of mixers will do just fine, and can have the same result.
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    I see everyone is quick to kick someone to the curb...lol Ours it's dependent on how they are charged. Otherwise there isn't nothing you can really do unless it's on fire house property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffscm72 View Post
    Otherwise there isn't nothing you can really do unless it's on fire house property.
    Why not? It's about upholding the trust and reputation of the department in the public's eye...on FD property or not.
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    I am almost certain they would be booted. Any member that conducts themselves in a manner that reflects poorly on the department or community would be removed from service. Thats the way it should be anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big iron View Post
    I am almost certain they would be booted. Any member that conducts themselves in a manner that reflects poorly on the department or community would be removed from service. Thats the way it should be anywhere.
    That's in our bylaws as well. If your actions in the community are bad enough to bring discredit to the fire department, you will no longer be a member of the fire department. The last thing we need is to be saddled with a reputation as a bunch of redneck hotheads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post

    It's not much different than having a bar across the street or down the road, except there you've got to pay for your drinks.
    Sorry, but there is a huge difference between having a bar in the firehouse, on fire department property, paid for with fire department funds and having one across the street. And I am sure most of the tax paying public in this department's area would agree with me.
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    Immediate suspension. Hearing before FD officers would decide future of membership. Court case outcome would be way too late in the process.
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    The Department I worked for did not have wet downs....but we did have some really great water fights. Tradition is just that....tradition. There are those who take it to an extreme but I think the least that should be done is remove the alcohol. I know it's tradition in some Departments but it can lead to disastrous consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Immediate suspension. Hearing before FD officers would decide future of membership. Court case outcome would be way too late in the process.
    It looks like both were officers. One was to be ***'t Chief, and one to be 2nd Lieutenant. Maybe they subscribe to "the beatings will continue until morale improves" theory of leadership? How does that reflect?

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    The video, captured by a surveillance camera in the firehouse bar and lounge area, had no audio track, but offered a visual perspective of what went down at the firehouse bar that night.
    I have a difficult time wrapping my head around a firehouse having a bar and lounge area. It's one of the many reasons why vollies will ensure the fire service is never taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I have a difficult time wrapping my head around a firehouse having a bar and lounge area.
    It goes back largely to the FD being a social center of the community, something long past in places where career staffing has been around for years.

    Many times those same facilities are used to raise money for the fire department by way of rentals for weddings, receptions, etc. Oftimes they are rather basic, not the opulent places portrayed in the LI Newsday series about the VFDs on Long Island a few years ago.

    That doesn't mean that there aren't excesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I have a difficult time wrapping my head around a firehouse having a bar and lounge area. It's one of the many reasons why vollies will ensure the fire service is never taken seriously.
    Try proposing removal of the bar and you will be run out of the department in most places that have them. Not saying it's right, just saying. Down our way, you will see firehouses with bay doors open and members sitting out front sipping beers. Can you wrap your head around that image?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD1234 View Post
    Try proposing removal of the bar and you will be run out of the department in most places that have them. Not saying it's right, just saying. Down our way, you will see firehouses with bay doors open and members sitting out front sipping beers. Can you wrap your head around that image?
    Nope. It only reinforces my stereotype of vollies and why they are a detriment to the fire service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD1234 View Post
    It looks like both were officers. One was to be ***'t Chief, and one to be 2nd Lieutenant. Maybe they subscribe to "the beatings will continue until morale improves" theory of leadership? How does that reflect?

    http://www.redbankgreen.com/2011/05/...-to-court.html
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