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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    food on the stoves count as a structure fire?
    Yup, when dispatch receives the call it is a "fire in the house"

    And we had a complete false alarm about two weeks ago. 12yold boy said his grandparents house was on fire....Our actual working was about 9months ago.
    And about 3weeks ago went to a mutual aid fire.
    Fire scenes: A well organized cluster F......
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    That is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    That is crazy.
    Its aggravating on a dispatch side, they call.." Help there's a fire in my oven, im burning my turkey"

    And per our protocols and the National protocol for fire dispatching, a fire inside a residents or commercial structure is to be dispatched as a "fire in a structure" with the first alarm or full box alarm. So we get everyone excited and driving all crazy....just to be disregarded.
    Fire scenes: A well organized cluster F......
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    I know on paper its considered a structure fire but we never call them that when relaying shift info and such so unless I'm writing it in the log book, I don't call them structure fires.
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    On ours we were dispatched out as a fire in the kitchen put out by the owners but they wanted FD to make sure it was out. On our forms it would go down as a structure fire last I saw. Just happy the family isn't going to be out much.
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    Idk, I've always been annoyed by it. If they were considered a legitimate structure fire then a certain senior home in the city would have a structure fire every other shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Idk, I've always been annoyed by it. If they were considered a legitimate structure fire then a certain senior home in the city would have a structure fire every other shift.
    I kno exactly what you mean. We have an assisted living facility in the county i dispatch for. ALL the time 4-5 times a week sometimes 3 times a day for like a 3 month period before maintenance fixed it. Anyways the alarm company calls we dispatch the alarm and before were done they call back and cancel. EVERY time....well...one day at the end of the week alarm company calls for the fire alarm showing the same detector "smoke detector attic, every time. So..... someone decided to wait just a few minutes for the alarm company call back. Well they didn't so i called the facility and their was a working fire in the basement. The basement detector didn't even trip....
    Fire scenes: A well organized cluster F......
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Idk, I've always been annoyed by it. If they were considered a legitimate structure fire then a certain senior home in the city would have a structure fire every other shift.
    I agree, but if the politicians and bean-counters play with numbers to make their case for gutting us (and they do), turnabout is fair play.

    If you can report a pot of food as a structure fire, do it. Play the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfd1992 View Post
    I agree, but if the politicians and bean-counters play with numbers to make their case for gutting us (and they do), turnabout is fair play.

    If you can report a pot of food as a structure fire, do it. Play the game.
    The LA rating service only considers it a structure fire if water was applied by the fire department.

    They are the only fires that they will use when calculating the number of responders.

    I know I that NFRIS as well as ISO, has a broader interpretation, and I believe they also include alarm trips as well. At least they did when i was still up north.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    The LA rating service only considers it a structure fire if water was applied by the fire department.

    They are the only fires that they will use when calculating the number of responders.

    I know I that NFRIS as well as ISO, has a broader interpretation, and I believe they also include alarm trips as well. At least they did when i was still up north.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    The LA rating service only considers it a structure fire if water was applied by the fire department.

    Which is why we put water on it. Every time....

    They are the only fires that they will use when calculating the number of responders.

    I know I that NFRIS as well as ISO, has a broader interpretation, and I believe they also include alarm trips as well. At least they did when i was still up north.

    Seems like every jurisdiction has a different viewpoint......
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    No. You are incorrect. Go back and research before you talk again.
    Well, that's the criteria we have always used, and it is the criteria according to my DC.
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    When I'm entering our calls in the NYS site (which feeds NFIRS), "Situation Found" is the key. If the building isn't on fire, it's not a structure fire.

    That's why our FD website and our NFIRS reports are different - I list calls by dispatch information on our website. If we're dispatched to a structure fire, it goes on our website as a structure fire. If we get there and it's a smoke condition, say from food on the stove, then NFIRS gets something different, like maybe an investigation.
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    About 1130 this morning. 1st Alarm for a fire at a coffee roasting facility. Heavy smoke upon arrival. Fire was in a commercial roaster on the second floor. Everyones gear reeks of burnt coffee!

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    We fought one sunday night .. a Two story structure with entrapment. We were able to make the save and there was minimal damage to the structure due to the quick action of not only My crew but the other crews that sprung into action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fieldseng2 View Post
    Everyones gear reeks of burnt coffee!
    Starbucks!
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    Burnt coffee would be heaven compared to our gear's mysterious cat **** stench.

    Had our extremely rare "man-in-machine" call already this morning. I have a lot to learn on that subject. My skills and knowledge are very low on the topic....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Burnt coffee would be heaven compared to our gear's mysterious cat **** stench.

    Had our extremely rare "man-in-machine" call already this morning. I have a lot to learn on that subject. My skills and knowledge are very low on the topic....

    Just keep cutting until A. The entrapped part becomes free of its entanglement or B. Morale improves
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Burnt coffee would be heaven compared to our gear's mysterious cat **** stench.
    Ammonia?

    Had our extremely rare "man-in-machine" call already this morning. I have a lot to learn on that subject. My skills and knowledge are very low on the topic....
    So many possible variations...

    Try farm machinery sometime....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    Ammonia?


    So many possible variations...

    Try farm machinery sometime....
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