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    Quote Originally Posted by FIRE117 View Post
    In my experiences with trailer house fires, when the floor becomes wet & soggy from the hoseline water, you can fall through the floor when walking on it.

    Therefore, unless there is a need to do an interior search, it may be better to spray water in the windows and peel the siding off to get at the fire.
    More than likely true here given the age of the home. Probably had some floor sag issues before the fire.
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    it may be better to spray water in the windows and peel the siding off to get at the fire.
    Well, we may not get to the bottom of whats wrong with the video, but that statement just explained whats wrong with the Fire Service today!!!

    And LaFireEducator, I hate you and your opinions, so please save any response to any of my posts, FOREVER! Thanks

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    I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Really? It's 2011 and your plan of attack is still to "push the fire out the back"? Most of us moved on to "bring the proper gpm to the fight to kill it in place".
    Have you ever been to a trailer fire? We bring the proper GPM and then some but the smoke and heat need somewhere to go. I sure as hell ain't venting through the roof!! We don't have an aerial and I am not calling one mutual aid for a trailer. By the time it gets there it would be worthless. Cut a hole behind the seat of the fire and push it all out.

    You have a metal roof and metal walls. That translates into one thing.... OVEN

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    If we want the public to pay for quality equipment, we have to use the 20+ SCBAs and proceed in a professional way and protect ourselves with the PPE we have got.

    If we want to justify money for training and development then the hillbilly vfd tactics simply have to stop.

    The industry's best practices every suceeding year are published and taught in more and more clear concise ways.

    Using SCBA units and full PPE is no longer just for the big boys. It is for every FF that may be exposed to breathing that crap. Dont stand there and defend otherwise because it is CLEARLY an industry standard.

    Stop treating FFing as a hobby and treat it as a job. You don't have to be a Career or Combi guy to do the job right. You just have to be professional about it. Nothing says you can't love your job like you love a hobby.

    Sorry, venting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedTillerman25 View Post
    Well, we may not get to the bottom of whats wrong with the video, but that statement just explained whats wrong with the Fire Service today!!!
    Sorry if our SOP's are not the same as yours. In this area, we have the experience with having trailer house fires involving meth labs.

    If we know someone is inside, we can do an interior search. If not, we prefer to take an exterior approach. We do not want to go inside and be in the middle of a meth operation gone wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee750 View Post
    Have you ever been to a trailer fire? We bring the proper GPM and then some but the smoke and heat need somewhere to go. I sure as hell ain't venting through the roof!! We don't have an aerial and I am not calling one mutual aid for a trailer. By the time it gets there it would be worthless. Cut a hole behind the seat of the fire and push it all out.

    You have a metal roof and metal walls. That translates into one thing.... OVEN
    We've fought many trailer fires at Benton, I'm sure we'll be seeing a vast amount now that I'm at Springhill, so I know what you are talking about. A house fire is hot enough, a trailer fire is just fuel and like you said, an oven. Fuel + Oven = food is done.

    EDIT: it could have been worse, fire conditions could have changed rapidly when they were opening up the siding; that guy without gear better be thankful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireeaterbob View Post
    Using SCBA units and full PPE is no longer just for the big boys. It is for every FF that may be exposed to breathing that crap. Dont stand there and defend otherwise because it is CLEARLY an industry standard.

    Stop treating FFing as a hobby and treat it as a job. You don't have to be a Career or Combi guy to do the job right. You just have to be professional about it. Nothing says you can't love your job like you love a hobby.
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    Nothing on the OP's link anymore. Just says intelligent monkeys were dispatched to fix the problem. So I won't comment on anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
    We've fought many trailer fires at Benton, I'm sure we'll be seeing a vast amount now that I'm at Springhill, so I know what you are talking about. A house fire is hot enough, a trailer fire is just fuel and like you said, an oven. Fuel + Oven = food is done.

    EDIT: it could have been worse, fire conditions could have changed rapidly when they were opening up the siding; that guy without gear better be thankful.
    Were you in the search class and RIT class I did up there a couple of months ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged”
    Testify!!!!
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    In the January class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
    In the January class?
    Nope.

    I taught a Saturday search class in March and a weekend RIT class in April for Springhill.
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    No the only one I heard about was a class in January in webster; I just joined Springhill in the middle of May. When are you teaching another one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
    No the only one I heard about was a class in January in webster; I just joined Springhill in the middle of May. When are you teaching another one?
    Probably going to do a RIT class in south Webster in the fall.
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    Why don't you come up here to Benton?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
    Why don't you come up here to Benton?
    I've offered to do a class up that way but nobody seems interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I've offered to do a class up that way but nobody seems interested.

    Maybe thats just the instructor choice.

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    It's hard to teach a RIT class when all you do is repeat BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE ANYWAY.
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