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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Maybe thats just the instructor choice.
    Maybe, bit there are very few classes that get a lot of attendence in this parish compared to the parish I volunteer in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    It's hard to teach a RIT class when all you do is repeat BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE ANYWAY.
    Identifying when to leave the building is certainly a part of the full 2-day class as being able to identify conditions that may lead to a mayday is critical in terms of preventing a RIT event. And yes, I do discuss structures that are more likely to cause a mayday event, and should not be entered under marginal conditions or resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee750 View Post
    Have you ever been to a trailer fire? We bring the proper GPM and then some but the smoke and heat need somewhere to go. I sure as hell ain't venting through the roof!! We don't have an aerial and I am not calling one mutual aid for a trailer. By the time it gets there it would be worthless. Cut a hole behind the seat of the fire and push it all out.

    You have a metal roof and metal walls. That translates into one thing.... OVEN
    Oh I've been to a few and I agree that you need horizontal ventilation. My point is that many of us no longer subscribe to the "push the fire out from the unburned side". Basically we used to use an 1.5" line on narrow fog (30 degrees)flowing 95 gpm and vent opposite the nozzle in hopes the fire would be directed out and to areas where the fuel ad already been consumed. Clearly, this had some positive affect as no fires from the 80's are still burning.

    Today we use 1.75" lines on straight stream (better yet solid bore) flowing at least 150 and shoot for a standard 180gpm, attacking residential fires via the point that allows us to get between the fire an any occupants or means of egress and we do not "push the fire out", we put it out where it's found.

    So while you can use older methodology that worked in the past, and the fire will still go out, don't expect the same results today you saw 20-30 years ago. In case you hadn't noticed, even in trailers the furnishings are much more combustible, heat release is greater and faster and new lightwieght structural members fail sooner, maybe it's time to rethink the plan of attack so the basis of the plan isn't built on archaic tactics.
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    Hi skylarmorris89,
    I have watched the video and didn't find any issue in this.
    If you are talking about self contained breathing apparatus it's not a big deal as they are standing outside the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlten View Post
    If you are talking about self contained breathing apparatus it's not a big deal as they are standing outside the house.
    Yeah? Tell that to some of the volunteer firefighters back from where I'm from that thought it wasn't a big deal and didn't realize that everytime some smoke came by and they breathed it in they were also breathing in PVC fumes. Now two of those five carry an O2 tank everywhere they go and the other three will never have full lung capacity again.

    But, we all know, smoke is safe once it exits the building right? I mean it only has bad chemicals when it's interior. Once it mixes with the oxygen and nitrogen in the outside air it's good to go. Give me a break.

    I guess you don't need and SCBA while standing outside a car that's burning either, no matter that you're surrounded by the biproducts of the fire.

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    Air is free.....
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlten View Post
    If you are talking about self contained breathing apparatus it's not a big deal as they are standing outside the house.
    One of the topics that came up in a roundtable discussion at NYSAFC was cyanide - and one victim was a pump operator who was 30-ish feet from the fire building. There's some strong evidence that many fire fatalities are cyanide-based, and it's entirely possible that many post-incident firefighter "heart attacks" may actually be cyanide poisoning.

    I'll plead guilty to the same mindset in the past, but my thoughts are changing on that.
    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
    We've fought many trailer fires at Benton, I'm sure we'll be seeing a vast amount now that I'm at Springhill, so I know what you are talking about. A house fire is hot enough, a trailer fire is just fuel and like you said, an oven. Fuel + Oven = food is done.
    You guys do realize that a woodframe brick and mortar with drywall holds heat in better than something made of metal, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Probably going to do a RIT class in south Webster in the fall.
    You teaching a RIT class would be about like Hitler teaching a racial sensitivity class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIRE117 View Post
    Sorry if our SOP's are not the same as yours. In this area, we have the experience with having trailer house fires involving meth labs.

    If we know someone is inside, we can do an interior search. If not, we prefer to take an exterior approach. We do not want to go inside and be in the middle of a meth operation gone wrong.
    So you don't search any of them in the off-chance there may be a meth lab? I'd be more worried about being bitten by a scared dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    You teaching a RIT class would be about like Hitler teaching a racial sensitivity class.
    Interesting, as I have taught several RIT classes in this area and generally they have been very well recieved.

    Maybe, just maybe, you have no idea what you are talking about. Again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Interesting, as I have taught several RIT classes and generally they have been very well recieved.

    Maybe, just maybe, you have no idea what you are talking about. Again.
    Just keep telling yourself that, spode...you impress nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
    Yeah? Tell that to some of the volunteer firefighters back from where I'm from that thought it wasn't a big deal and didn't realize that everytime some smoke came by and they breathed it in they were also breathing in PVC fumes. Now two of those five carry an O2 tank everywhere they go and the other three will never have full lung capacity again.

    But, we all know, smoke is safe once it exits the building right? I mean it only has bad chemicals when it's interior. Once it mixes with the oxygen and nitrogen in the outside air it's good to go. Give me a break.

    I guess you don't need and SCBA while standing outside a car that's burning either, no matter that you're surrounded by the biproducts of the fire.
    Fully agree that those involved in the active supression operation should have been on air.

    That being said, I have no idea what the level of training was and it is possible that they were not SCBA qualiied. Right or wrong, that is often the reality of rural firefighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Just keep telling yourself that, spode...you impress nobody.
    So that's why they keep asking me to teach more classes? And the classes are always full?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So that's why they keep asking me to teach more classes? And the classes are always full?
    Your fairy tales impress nobody as well.

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    Arguing with LaFire is like trying to administer meds to a dead person, It just don't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Arguing with LaFire is like trying to administer meds to a dead person, It just don't work.

    Yeah...but even beating a dead horse is good exercise if you really work at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Your fairy tales impress nobody as well.
    Let's see ....

    In addition to teaching in house,

    Have taught 4 RIT classes in the past 2 years.
    Have taught about 8-9 Reading Smoke classes to indivual departments, regionally and at LSU Pine Country in the past 3 years.
    Have taught classes at LA Arson & Fire Prevention Conference.

    Will be co-instructing Juvenile Firesetter Intervention I & II in the next 2 months at LSU PIne Country.

    And likely will teach a Reading Smoke class at next year's State Firefighter's Conference.

    Guess that's just more of my fairy tales. I guess you're the one that has to prove I'm lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Let's see ....

    In addition to teaching in house,

    Have taught 4 RIT classes in the past 2 years.
    Have taught about 8-9 Reading Smoke classes to indivual departments, regionally and at LSU Pine Country in the past 3 years.
    Have taught classes at LA Arson & Fire Prevention Conference.

    Will be co-instructing Juvenile Firesetter Intervention I & II in the next 2 months at LSU PIne Country.

    And likely will teach a Reading Smoke class at next year's State Firefighter's Conference.

    Guess that's just more of my fairy tales. I guess you're the one that has to prove I'm lying.
    Again, noooobody cares, spode. Guys like you are a dime-a-dozen.

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