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    BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD....

    Great job guys!! Everyday heros!!

    I should put this in the other thread but it fits here like anywhere else......My dream department would be a place where all firefighters are treated equal with no reference to gender, race, religion, sexual preference.....or ideals. A place that if someone disagrees with my own thoughts and people accept that not everyone thinks the same....THEY AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON.

    and to have no fire fatalities too, firefighter or civilian... that would would be nice.







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    What makes you think that putting a little effort into recovering a family keepsake is a death sentence ? Are you really that incompent? And 40 or 50 hours is a comphresive training program ? Reread some of your posts -- have you no pride? Hell - have you no shame ?
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    ventilation is covered in FF1

    search is covered in FF1

    LSU has classes built around rural departments but they aren't redoing FF1

    LSU regional directors give classes on VES so claiming they didn't know what you were talking about is bull****.

    You shouldn't have to lie to make your point yet you continue to do.

    And making a certification for exterior only guys....they have that, its called civilian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    What makes you think that putting a little effort into recovering a family keepsake is a death sentence ? Are you really that incompent? And 40 or 50 hours is a comphresive training program ? Reread some of your posts -- have you no pride? Hell - have you no shame ?
    Big Difference between effort and risk.

    I have put effort into recovering a keepsake by performing water control operations or digging through the ashes or a downed wall hundreds of times .

    It's another matter completely to operate interior in a burning structure under less than ideal circumstances simply to save a keepsake or photos.If the only reason for sending personnel interior is simply to save photos and keepsakes, that, in my mind is putting firefighters at risk for the wrong reasons.

    And yes, for a rural department that really has no or little intent in operating interior beyond very limited room fires, 40-50 hours can be a very comprehensive exterior operations training program. The program could probably even encompass limited interior operations.

    I know it's hard to beleive but there are thousands of small VFDs that will never have the resources to operate interior much beyond a small room and contents fire.

    For many small VFDs, those 50 hours would probably represent a significant expansion of their current training programs. That's why a similar program was pushed by the state firefighter's association as the state minimum several years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And how exactly would we "put up"?
    You made the claim. You tell us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    If there is measurable gain, I'm more than willing to take a risk as long as we have the resources to make that save a reality.
    A subjective standard. You make the rules as you go along thereby ensuring you'll never be held accountable for anything. Especially doing nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    There is no shame in allowing a building to burn if it means We all Go Home.
    Note to self: Avoid Bossier Parish. You stated the folks there are getting a good bargain for what they pay for fire service. You're absolutely correct. They pay little, and get little more than folks playing dress up.
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    I loath laf but I suggest you quit disrespecting his department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    I loath laf but I suggest you quit disrespecting his department.
    I shudder at the belief that Bossier Parish residents believe their fire protection is competent with the likes of LAFE's running around.

    I'll apologize to all the members of his department that don't subscribe to his do nothing approach.
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    I would put your entire department up against one engine and one truck of any of a number of departments of my choosing. And they will have the fire out before you get out your "coward" lawn chairs. Its really quite that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post

    I'll apologize to all the members of his department that don't subscribe to his do nothing approach.
    Didn't someone on here run into a couple of his guys out west at some kind of federal training???? And didn't they roll their eyes or something when his name was mentioned????
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Didn't someone on here run into a couple of his guys out west at some kind of federal training???? And didn't they roll their eyes or something when his name was mentioned????
    I'm not loved on my department, and it's for all the right reasons.

    I've never cared about being popular.

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    LA, you will never get it. You will never have that little extra that separates a fireman from a hobby hoser.
    In my last post to your drivel, I can only be grateful that those that built this great country where not worried about injuries. Imagine a Carpenter afraid of a sliver or an Iron Worker worried about a busted nail. With those injury fears, nothing would get done.

    For all you on your high horse gripping about us that will call LA out, read this:
    Ask the juniors - I made them work their butts off this Sunday during a special ladder training session.
    Imagine an entire generation of young minds polluted by his educating....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Ask the juniors - I made them work their butts off this Sunday during a special ladder training session.
    Are these special ladders the ones that only go to the first floor?
    So you call this your free country
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    A great leader is loved by his men because of his courage, intelligence, and integrity and it will surpass his toughness making them willing to follow him. Maybe they hate you because you can't do any of the things you ask of them, they see through your bull**** and you're "that guy from the front office" that no one respects, or they know you're just a piece of ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I'm not loved on my department, and it's for all the right reasons.
    Which reasons would those be exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I've never cared about being popular.
    BS. You cared. You're just not capable of understanding why.

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    Ask the juniors - I made them work their butts off this Sunday during a special ladder training session.
    Did you lead by example? Or did you just bark out orders? Don't bother answering. We already know.

    We now know why you're on your little power trip. This is your way of getting back at all those who ridiculed you during your pathetic life. Being a vollie gives you an identity you would have never achieved without that environment.
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    Are these special ladders the ones that only go to the first floor?
    I don't care who you are, now that's funny!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    Are these special ladders the ones that only go to the first floor?
    Nope.

    To the roof.

    But that special ladder comment, now that was funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    A great leader is loved by his men because of his courage, intelligence, and integrity and it will surpass his toughness making them willing to follow him. Maybe they hate you because you can't do any of the things you ask of them, they see through your bull**** and you're "that guy from the front office" that no one respects, or they know you're just a piece of ****.
    Never said I was a leader.

    I'm a a manager. I manage, not lead, the public education program. I manage, not lead, crews I'm assigned. It's just my nature to manage, not lead, and at thios point inn the game, that's not going to change.

    As far as the other crap, think what you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    A great leader is loved by his men because of his courage, intelligence, and integrity and it will surpass his toughness making them willing to follow him. Maybe they hate you because you can't do any of the things you ask of them, they see through your bull**** and you're "that guy from the front office" that no one respects, or they know you're just a piece of ****.
    Never said I was a leader.

    I'm a a manager, and I'm good at it. I'm not much of a leader, and I know it.

    I manage, not lead, the opublic education program. I manage, not lead the crews I'm assigned to supervise. It's just my nature to manage, not lead, and at this point in the game, that's not going to change.

    As far as the other crap, think what you like.
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    Then maybe you should quit and be a manager at Applebee's. You could free up department money that can go to a trainer who the guys will actually learn something from. You have offered nothing of value here, I can't imagine you offering them anything at all.

    Do you say you're not a leader because thats what your men tell you or are you being realistic in knowing that no one would ever follow you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Which reasons would those be exactly?

    Because I expect that they will come prepared to do what is required. They will be on time. They will have the crap they need to do what is expected of them. And yes, I' prepared, on-time and have the crap I need, and I'm a a@@ because i expect the same of others.

    BS. You cared. You're just not capable of understanding why.


    Did you lead by example? Or did you just bark out orders? Don't bother answering. We already know.

    Actually demonstrated, allowed them to practice and expected them to be able to perform the skill with a fair degree of comptetence. And no, I didn't lead the training exercise. I managed it.

    We now know why you're on your little power trip. This is your way of getting back at all those who ridiculed you during your pathetic life. Being a vollie gives you an identity you would have never achieved without that environment.
    Ya, that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Then maybe you should quit and be a manager at Applebee's. You could free up department money that can go to a trainer who the guys will actually learn something from. You have offered nothing of value here, I can't imagine you offering them anything at all.

    Do you say you're not a leader because thats what your men tell you or are you being realistic in knowing that no one would ever follow you?
    Some folks are leaders and have leadership skills. I have never had those skills, and never pretended to be a leader. I probably could have worked on developing them, but honestly, it really hasn't been that important to me.

    I am happy being an excellent manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Never said I was a leader.
    And we believe you.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Actually demonstrated, allowed them to practice and expected them to be able to perform the skill with a fair degree of comptetence. And no, I didn't lead the training exercise. I managed it.
    Thank you for telling us what we already knew. You barked out orders and watched others do the work.

    BTW, all we have is your word for it. Which isn't much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And we believe you.


    Thank you for telling us what we already knew. You barked out orders and watched others do the work.

    BTW, all we have is your word for it. Which isn't much.
    Just out of curiousity, why would I lift the ladders over and over if the point of the training session was to teach new members a skill they have never performed?

    Explain the skill. Demonstrtate the skill. Then guide them though the skills.
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    Explain the skill. Demonstrate the skill. Then guide them though the skills.
    Isn't that Leadership?
    Never said I was a leader.

    I'm a a manager, and I'm good at it. I'm not much of a leader, and I know it.
    Poor kids.
    PS just somethings need to be addressed. I apologize for going back on my previous post...
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