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    Quote Originally Posted by VanIsleEVT View Post
    You haven't mentioned what your budget is but have you looked at or considered the Rosenbauer Raptor a.k.a. the Metz L32. The most common configuration has a wheelbase of around 215" with an overall length of 36' AND a 105' aerial. If you can open the drivers door, you can set the jacks to full extension. The aerial can set-up AND operate on a slope up to 14 degrees.

    I don't represent them just have first hand knowledge, experience and lots of seat time!
    Budget isnt an issue we have thrown around the idea of getting us an aerial that will work but not spending all our money on one truck. Instead of spending a million on a 100ft platform. But spending 3/4 of million on a stick or shorter platform and using the rest to get another commercial pumper or heavy rescue / Service truck. We also have our ISO coming up next year. But all that depends on if something shorter will work for us. Right now I believe our top picks are the (not in any order)
    1. Pierce 75' PUC Wb 212"
    2. Pierce 85' Platform WB ?
    3. Sutphen SP 70 WB 215"
    4. KME 75' Aerialcat WB 210"


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    It sounds like you have a good grasp on what you're looking for, except comparing platforms and straight ladders to each other is a little odd as they both serve similar purposes, but in unique ways.

    If your looking to consider a straight ladder, the Sutphen SL75 or SL100 should both be looked at heavily as well. Both are some of the strongest weight rated ladders with the least amount of travel weight. Both are also available in Quint configurations with industry leading compartment space.

    I am a Sutphen rep, however I do not work for your area. However, if you have any questions or would like any more information, please do not hesitate to ask either on the boards here or privately.

    Thanks and Stay Safe!

    Quote Originally Posted by shag23 View Post
    Budget isnt an issue we have thrown around the idea of getting us an aerial that will work but not spending all our money on one truck. Instead of spending a million on a 100ft platform. But spending 3/4 of million on a stick or shorter platform and using the rest to get another commercial pumper or heavy rescue / Service truck. We also have our ISO coming up next year. But all that depends on if something shorter will work for us. Right now I believe our top picks are the (not in any order)
    1. Pierce 75' PUC Wb 212"
    2. Pierce 85' Platform WB ?
    3. Sutphen SP 70 WB 215"
    4. KME 75' Aerialcat WB 210"

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    All 3 of your choices are very strong and reputable rigs. Not to sell you anything, because you are out my territory, but both the Sutphen SP75 and SPH100 can be configured to fit in your firehouse with no problems, and still offer full Qunt capability if so desired. As I also mentioned to our NC brother in an above post, both units offer high weight ratings (Sutphen's website needs updating) and the ability to only have one set of side protruding jacks, which your currently used to. In the SPH's case, it can also be shortjacked not only giving you the ability to go where your current Scope goes, but it can work in even tighter areas. Additionally, both versions, loaded, are going to weigh in significantly lower then the other options you have mentioned; which will translate into significant savings in wear and tear as well as fuel consumption.

    Have you spoke to Tim Moots yet? He is your area representative and would be more then willing to help you out. If there's anything else I can answer, please don't hesitate.

    - Woodbridge.... How's my Burlington City Scope still doing? Still bleeding yellow????

    Quote Originally Posted by TOWER412 View Post
    Right now myself and three other guys from my company are looking to replace our current 1994 scope which is 43' 10" long but that is the old style boom on it plus pump, tank, and hose. The issue we have is we canít go over 44í in length and 11í in height for a platform not including the Q2 mounted in the bumper which we could squeeze passed when walking in front of the truck when it is in the fire house.

    We are looking to get a new scope but there are problems with trying to get it the same way have it now due to the new scopes being a lot heavier and loading up the front axles to the max. Talked to our Seagrave rep and they are working on fix but donít know if it will help. I also passed some info to him about trying to get the new scope the way we have our current one. Canít beat how strong a scope boom is.

    But we are open to other mid mounts also.

    Talked to Ferrara aerial head and or rep they make a mid mount 85' that can be as short as 43' 6". They are making one for Amityville NY that is 44' 8" long.

    We are also looking at that KME 81' like WoodbridgeFFII has said. There is one that is 3 towns over from us that is basically the size that was just said.

    Also another thing to look out for is the wheelbases. Some of them can get big. Our current scope has a 241" the Amityville has a 258". Donít know about the KME.

    So for the order of what we would it is for us:
    1. Aerialscope 75'
    2. Ferrara 85'
    3. KME 81'

    But this can change as we are only in are being stage of looking around to see whatís out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EES_SEAN View Post
    All 3 of your choices are very strong and reputable rigs. Not to sell you anything, because you are out my territory, but both the Sutphen SP75 and SPH100 can be configured to fit in your firehouse with no problems, and still offer full Qunt capability if so desired. As I also mentioned to our NC brother in an above post, both units offer high weight ratings (Sutphen's website needs updating) and the ability to only have one set of side protruding jacks, which your currently used to. In the SPH's case, it can also be shortjacked not only giving you the ability to go where your current Scope goes, but it can work in even tighter areas. Additionally, both versions, loaded, are going to weigh in significantly lower then the other options you have mentioned; which will translate into significant savings in wear and tear as well as fuel consumption.

    Have you spoke to Tim Moots yet? He is your area representative and would be more then willing to help you out. If there's anything else I can answer, please don't hesitate.

    - Woodbridge.... How's my Burlington City Scope still doing? Still bleeding yellow????
    The old truck is doing pretty good, except she blew a high pressure power steering line a few weeks ago and bleed fuild all over the street in front of the fire house. Here is a few photos of 4-2-5 setup at Fords Fire Co, N.J. 100 years of service!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
    The old truck is doing pretty good, except she blew a high pressure power steering line a few weeks ago and bleed fuild all over the street in front of the fire house. Here is a few photos of 4-2-5 setup at Fords Fire Co, N.J. 100 years of service!
    **it happens to even the best of trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shag23 View Post
    ...We also have our ISO coming up next year. But all that depends on if something shorter will work for us.
    To receive maximum points for your insurance rating, ISO says you need an aerial capable of reaching the roof your tallest building, OR a 100-foot aerial.

    Our issue is building setbacks; in other words, a 3-4 story building that sits 100 feet off the curb will require a 1oo-ft aerial for max points.

    C6

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    Quote Originally Posted by shag23 View Post
    Our dept is in the process of replacing our old 1972 American Laf Aerial. We are leaning toward a stick or a 75' or 85' platform. We are located in the mountains of NC so we have some tight roads. I was wondering if anyone knows of a websites or articles that has reviewed trucks for areas like ours. I was wanting to know turning radius, wheelbases and etc. For some of the truck manufactures before we start contacting ever dealer. Some of the manufactures will give truck dimensions like Sutphen but most of them will not. Anyone have information that you can give or know of?
    Some of the manufactures we are thinking of is- Sutphen, Pierce, KME and Rosenbauer.
    Plus if anyone knows of any problems with any of those companys feel free to share.
    Thank you LT. Justin Setser Franklin Fire and Rescue Franklin, NC
    I really dislike someone's voicing a native opinion about any manufacturer without backing it up for whatever reason they may have. RE: Command 6 who states that he is not a fan of Rosenbauer. It would be interesting to fine out why he is not a fan of rosenbauer.
    His reasons may have had an influence on the fire department requesting information to where they may not contact that manufacturer. I have been affiliated with Rosenbauer for over twenty years. With that being said, I would like to influence you to take a look the Rosenbauer product. Rosenbauer is the second largest builder of fire apparatus in the United States, and the largest builder of apparatus in the world. The aerial division has been manufacturing all types of aerial devices from streight aerials to telecoping water ways(Tela-squart) to standard platforms to the articulating/telescopic platform that competes with the Branto. With this in mine, they must be doing something right. They have also been manufacturing these type of devices for twenty-five years without a catastrophic failure. Again, must be doing something right. Since your fire department is only 300 miles from Raleigh, I would suggest going to the North Carolina chief conference the second week in August. By looking at the Rosenbauer products, you will see that they offer a 77' foot straight stick "Smart Aerial". One configuration you may be interested in is built on a Spartan Gladiator 46 degree turning radius, Cummins ISL 450 HP engine with a 141" inch cab to axle on a 195" inch wheelbase with a body length of 36' feet 7" inches. The truck carries 480 gallons of water, 20 gallon foam tank and a 2000 GPM pump. The "Smart Aerial" offers you the following features: Self Leveling Aerial Jacks, Soft Touch Aerial Controls, Built-In Envelope control that eliminates the aerial from hitting any part of the body and chassis, Remote control device that controls all aerial and waterway functions from up to 300' feet away from the truck, safe operation of the aerial as a watertower off the short jack side of the truck, self bedding of the aerial into it's cradle, When the aerial is approaching an unsafe condition, it will automatic shut down elimating the possibility of turning the truck over. There is also an option of operating the aerial in a seated position along with galvanizing the aerial device which extends the life of that unit. I feel this is enough information to have you a lease take time out to look at.

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    Check out this Rosie Platform
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    A lot of errors in that promo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    No salesman speels allowed on this board!!
    Especially by someone that needs Hooked on Phonics.

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    I really dislike someone's voicing a native opinion about any manufacturer without backing it up for whatever reason they may have. RE: Command 6 who states that he is not a fan of Rosenbauer. It would be interesting to fine out why he is not a fan of rosenbauer.

    "I don't like Rosenbauer because I once worked for a dealer that sold them. The only trucks I have worked on in the last 15 years that I think were bigger POS's were the short lived EEI's".
    The A/C is not cold enough, the warning lights are not bright enough, siren is not loud enough, the C.D. player skips every time we jump a curb, cab doors only open to 89.5* and it's been like this since day one!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    No salesman speels allowed on this board!!
    I am not a sales person for Rosenbauer. Just stating the facts so that other fire departments can make their own decision.

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    The Valley Regional Fire Authority evolved from a 1971 75' Mack Baker Aerialscope to the 2009 Rosenbauer 102' HME/Metz ladder truck that we currently have in-service. The new truck has been in service for almost a year now, we have to remind our personnel that this is not a "platform", it is a ladder truck with a rescue basket versus the tips flip down steps for ease of operation. 99 percent of our operations occur with the rescue basket in-place. It runs as a quint out of our headquarters fire station in Auburn. The City of Victoria BC just got their new Metz delivered and I believe its now in-service. The Fire Auhtority performed an extensive needs assessment prior to developing our aerial ladder specifications, this information was placed into an RFP and was competitavely bid on. We were able to justify some of the additional ($) costs because of the advanced technology and safety systems that this unit offers. If you look at some of the photos, we've maximized as much compartment space as was humanly possible. I carries a full aerial compliment of ground ladders, we increased the water tanks size to 300 gallons with a 20 gallon foam cell and a 1500gpm pump. We are fortunate to be located in a well hydranted urban area. It carries 400' of 5" LDH supply hose in the rear pull out hose tray. I have included some photos of our truck, I have a quite a few pictures and some additional information posted under the "Rosenbauer Trucks" thread in the firehouse forum. We were very impressed with the quality of our rosenbauers construction "General Plant".

    Since the purchase of the HME Rosenbauer/Metz ladder truck we have also went out to RFP bid for (2) new custom fire pumpers. 6 manufacturers submitted competitive bids, Rosenbauer was recently awarded that contract. We have our preconstruction meeting next week in Wyoming Minnesota. We applied for and received an ecology grant to fund the Greenstar Idle Reduction Technology feature on both new engines. The customer service we have received out of both Rosenbauer and General Fire (Spokane Washington) has been simply fantastic. PJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by retiredchiefone View Post
    I really dislike someone's voicing a native opinion about any manufacturer without backing it up for whatever reason they may have. RE: Command 6 who states that he is not a fan of Rosenbauer. It would be interesting to fine out why he is not a fan of rosenbauer.
    His reasons may have had an influence on the fire department requesting information to where they may not contact that manufacturer. I have been affiliated with Rosenbauer for over twenty years. With that being said, I would like to influence you to take a look the Rosenbauer product. Rosenbauer is the second largest builder of fire apparatus in the United States, and the largest builder of apparatus in the world. The aerial division has been manufacturing all types of aerial devices from streight aerials to telecoping water ways(Tela-squart) to standard platforms to the articulating/telescopic platform that competes with the Branto. With this in mine, they must be doing something right. They have also been manufacturing these type of devices for twenty-five years without a catastrophic failure. Again, must be doing something right. Since your fire department is only 300 miles from Raleigh, I would suggest going to the North Carolina chief conference the second week in August. By looking at the Rosenbauer products, you will see that they offer a 77' foot straight stick "Smart Aerial". One configuration you may be interested in is built on a Spartan Gladiator 46 degree turning radius, Cummins ISL 450 HP engine with a 141" inch cab to axle on a 195" inch wheelbase with a body length of 36' feet 7" inches. The truck carries 480 gallons of water, 20 gallon foam tank and a 2000 GPM pump. The "Smart Aerial" offers you the following features: Self Leveling Aerial Jacks, Soft Touch Aerial Controls, Built-In Envelope control that eliminates the aerial from hitting any part of the body and chassis, Remote control device that controls all aerial and waterway functions from up to 300' feet away from the truck, safe operation of the aerial as a watertower off the short jack side of the truck, self bedding of the aerial into it's cradle, When the aerial is approaching an unsafe condition, it will automatic shut down elimating the possibility of turning the truck over. There is also an option of operating the aerial in a seated position along with galvanizing the aerial device which extends the life of that unit. I feel this is enough information to have you a lease take time out to look at.
    We have looked at Rosenbauer and have received some literature from them. They told me they have a demo truck going around our area and we are going to try to look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Command6 View Post
    To receive maximum points for your insurance rating, ISO says you need an aerial capable of reaching the roof your tallest building, OR a 100-foot aerial.

    Our issue is building setbacks; in other words, a 3-4 story building that sits 100 feet off the curb will require a 1oo-ft aerial for max points.

    C6
    We had a 75' eone stick and a 75' sutphen platform come down the other night and they will reach our tallest building. But we also have to think about someone building something taller in the next fifteen years or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EES_SEAN View Post
    It sounds like you have a good grasp on what you're looking for, except comparing platforms and straight ladders to each other is a little odd as they both serve similar purposes, but in unique ways.

    If your looking to consider a straight ladder, the Sutphen SL75 or SL100 should both be looked at heavily as well. Both are some of the strongest weight rated ladders with the least amount of travel weight. Both are also available in Quint configurations with industry leading compartment space.

    I am a Sutphen rep, however I do not work for your area. However, if you have any questions or would like any more information, please do not hesitate to ask either on the boards here or privately.

    Thanks and Stay Safe!
    The biggest reason is we have firemen that love platforms and some love sticks. So we are just looking at both and trying to see what will work the best for us. We have never had a ladder and here you can see what we are going from.
    http://franklinfire-rescue.com/image...-19-20_020.jpg

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    How do you climb down that Metz ladder and get to the ground? or up to the ladder?
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    How do you climb down that Metz ladder and get to the ground? or up to the ladder?
    The same way you climb any other ladder. However, given the choice I'm going to ride down in the rescue cage and be on the ground in 15 seconds versus climbing down a ladder. Why climb when you can ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT2410 View Post
    The same way you climb any other ladder. However, given the choice I'm going to ride down in the rescue cage and be on the ground in 15 seconds versus climbing down a ladder. Why climb when you can ride?
    because I'm not lazy

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