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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Ok, looking at the middle picture of the VFRA truck above...I see the operators chair on the left side, something on the right side which to me looks like it's in your way of stepping off the side, and nothing on the rear end of that ladder.

    Granted, it's at negative degrees, but if it was at a positive climbing angle, it just looks difficult to get from the truck up onto that ladder and/or off that ladder.

    If it uses fold down steps (white thing at rear of ladder?) do they limit movement/angle of the ladder when they are folded down?

    And I understand the speed of the Metz ladders. Just have a hard time telling person #3, sorry you have to wait.
    Here's the good news.......You Don't. Get on one when you have a chance,getting on or off is no more difficult than any standard ladder here. Different,but no harder. The NEW ones can be programmed(by operator)to return to a preset destination,say that second or third story window just as an example. T.C.

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    Different,but no harder.
    I think that is the real issue with most non-believers, it's different. It doesn't look like a typical aerial but it sure outperforms a typical aerial.

    I've had a Raptor at my disposal now since February I can tell you all first hand, these things are truly amazing!!! It continues to amaze our members everyday. I have received more positive comments about this apparatus then any other new apparatus the dept has received.

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    Fair enough.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post

    And I understand the speed of the Metz ladders. Just have a hard time telling person #3, sorry you have to wait.
    Hi All,

    As a Metz (Raptor) user/owner I can speak from experience. With regards to the basket's weight capacity, we have squeezed in 5 firefighters (not in gear) to demonstrate to members the "how safe" it really is. I would estimate this to be about 900-1000 lbs. When we do this the overload Alarms sounds and the truck will only allow you to retract until you are back within what the truck knows to be a safe range of operation. It is pretty damn impressive.

    We also have a feature on our truck called target control. It allows us to record the movements to or from a location and then simply hit "playback" to activate it. We then just use 1 joystick to duplicate the location to which we just came to/from. It follows the exact motion. To within an inch of accuracy. It is a great feature if you have to return to the same spot/window over and over again.

    A Metz (Raptor) can not do everything, nor am I claiming it can, but it sure affords us many more options on the fireground as to what we "may" need it to do. It is an engineered piece of equipment that is safe, fast, smooth and very compact.

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    Too bad you gave up a classic Mack/Scope to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Command6 View Post
    Any way you can drag your heels until LTI begins being offered on a Spartan Gladiator?

    That would make you a great machine. My personal preferences off your list would be KME or Pierce, and I would add Smeal.

    Work with the brand whose dealer will give you the best service, even if you have to sacrifice your first choice in apparatus. Please listen the voice of experience: Customer service is a lost art in the fire service like most everywhere else. The difference in the fire service is you are entering into a 15-20 year relationship.

    One last thing: On aerials, make sure you get the wall-to-wall turning radius as the front and/or rear overhangs will be factored in. As you already know, turning radius will also be affected by axle weight and suspension type.

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    Take a look at a Crimson. Jim Salmi came from LTI and is charge of the Crimson Aerial Plant. His ladders are built like no other out there!! He has a grease-less ladder, ladder cradle assembly and probably the toughest ladder in the industry. You will see several similarities of a Crimson ladder beside an LTI, Plus it will be built on a Spartan Gladiator Chassis.

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    We have went to bid on a 75' ladder with a mim of a 1250 pump and 500 tank, with a 450 hp cummins engine and with a jak brake. The ladder truck will have a wheelbase of 234" or shorter. We will also be going to bid on a new custom cab pumper as well. The pumper is nothing really fancy just a basic truck with ladders on the side and a 10" newton dump and I believe a 1250 tank and pump.

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    A dump valve on a quint? 500 tank ? -
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    Whoops - I just re-read it - the dump is on the engine --- still I question the value of a 500 tank in a tanker shuttle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shag23 View Post
    We will also be going to bid on a new custom cab pumper as well. The pumper is nothing really fancy just a basic truck with ladders on the side and a 10" newton dump and I believe a 1250 tank and pump.
    1250 tank. Still....

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    Quote Originally Posted by firepundit View Post
    1250 tank. Still....
    Our way of thinking is when the truck is at the end of its life as a front line pumper it could then serve as a tanker. Plus we have a dept that borders us that we sometimes can beat to their calls. We can run this as a pumper but if they beat us then it can still serve as a tanker.
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    my bad - I guess I need to retake first grade - some how I transposed the 500 to the engine. - a 1250 tank is ok in my opinion. Sorry for the hijack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shag23 View Post
    We have went to bid on a 75' ladder with a mim of a 1250 pump and 500 tank, with a 450 hp cummins engine and with a jak brake. The ladder truck will have a wheelbase of 234" or shorter. We will also be going to bid on a new custom cab pumper as well. The pumper is nothing really fancy just a basic truck with ladders on the side and a 10" newton dump and I believe a 1250 tank and pump.
    How did your bidding go? Who did you all go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wncfireman View Post
    How did your bidding go? Who did you all go with?
    We have not awarded anyone with the bid yet. We got bids from Pierce, E-one, Sutphen and HME. I believe they are going to make there decision at our towns next board meeting. Hopefully the town will go for both trucks, because we really need both. Pierce did bring a demo by yesterday that is very close to our specs, that we could look at buying. Here some pics of that truck. It was extremely nice and very well build. Nothing cheap about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shag23 View Post
    We have not awarded anyone with the bid yet. We got bids from Pierce, E-one, Sutphen and HME. I believe they are going to make there decision at our towns next board meeting. Hopefully the town will go for both trucks, because we really need both. Pierce did bring a demo by yesterday that is very close to our specs, that we could look at buying. Here some pics of that truck. It was extremely nice and very well build. Nothing cheap about it.

    Sounds like y'all got some good bids, all are well built trucks. E-One being the worst of them all I'd say.

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    Where is the hose bed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wncfireman View Post
    Where is the hose bed?
    See the larger two doors on the rear each side of the step? The hose is behind those doors!

    Ground ladders are in the door where the step is too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wncfireman View Post
    Sounds like y'all got some good bids, all are well built trucks. E-One being the worst of them all I'd say.
    Really? I guess the perfect record for aerials and likely the best jacking system in the industry counts for nothing. HME over E-One? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Really? I guess the perfect record for aerials and likely the best jacking system in the industry counts for nothing. HME over E-One? Really?
    Obviously someone new to the Service,hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wncfireman View Post
    Sounds like y'all got some good bids, all are well built trucks. E-One being the worst of them all I'd say.
    And I'd say you don't know what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Obviously someone new to the Service,hehe T.C.
    It appears several of us came to the same conclusion fairly quickly! As the EMSer's say: Confirmed in three leads!

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    I have to echo that sentiment. EONE aerials have been proven in service and have a good jack system. They are no garbage brand by any means, and I'd say better than some of the other bidders.

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    Tonight is the night. Our Town board is to vote on to whether or not to let us buy our aerial and pumper. We are 99% sure we will get the aerial we want the, but the pumper is still the question. We decided to go with a commercial chassis and not a custom so we would have a better chance of getting the truck we want. It still has the body we want but on an extended cab Freightliner. We are actually looking at two demo's so the turn around on recieving the truck will be shorter. Plus the savings are a lot higher as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wncfireman View Post
    Sounds like y'all got some good bids, all are well built trucks. E-One being the worst of them all I'd say.
    WNCFIREMAN, obviously, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, additionally have ZERO experience with an E-One.

    As far as AERIALS go, I would rate E-One the best, I could waste hours here typing reasons. Lets go with shortest jack spread, no pinning, fastest true setup time, heaviest tip load on the market for platforms @1305 lbs dry and 805 lbs flowing water. The widest ladder to walk down, the gator grip rungs, the ease of maintenance and inspection, ease of weld inspection, no need to paint.
    I could go on.

    I would NEVER buy a steel aerial, painting, replace rung wraps (which fall off at the worst times) the weld testing and inspection, wire brushing welds for visual inspection, the overall weight of the apparatus, etc. They are good products, just a lot on the maintenance side.

    Pierce does make some nice aluminum ladders and towers now, after they realized they lost a lot of business to E-One on Aluminum game.

    Pierce is a great manufacture, as with everyone else, they have had small issues over the years.

    I will not talk about sutphen, dont know anything about them, except I never hear anything negative from people who owned them, which, when you think about it, that says a lot.

    I am deathly afraid of KME and Ferrera's. I know of issues with KMEs first hand, but until I can find the documentation, I am not going to blurt garbage. As far as Ferrera's go I think my 82 Pontiac Fiero was built to better standards.

    But for you ignorance to say E-one is the worst! Speaks mountains of your lack of experience and knowledge of aerials, and you obviously buy ANY garbage anyone sells you.

    I mean this with all due respect. It is not my intent to get down on anyone here, we are all brothers, trying to learn from each others pros and cons, our life experiences, and our lessons learned.

    I would urge EVERYONE to take a closer look at E-One aerials. They are superior in many ways.

    Something else to look at is the inside dimensions of the last fly of every aerial. Some steel ladders are a very tight climb, the inside rung width is so small.

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    Perhaps wncfireman has had a different experience with E-One? Just saying.

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