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    Default Quick question...

    My current lid is a Cairns 880 Chicago, but I recently order a Cairns N5A New Yorker. I was wondering if the leather front on my 880 will fit my New Yorker, if the mounting holes will line up. Thank you in advance.

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    It should fit with no problem.. you can always drill another set of mounting holes if necessary. Personnaly, I'd just order another shield and keep the lid you have as a spare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    It should fit with no problem.. you can always drill another set of mounting holes if necessary. Personnaly, I'd just order another shield and keep the lid you have as a spare.
    Yeah I thought about that as well. I was just hoping it would fit so I could go ahead and put my New Yorker in service while waiting for the new front. I will know for sure in about a week when my new lid arrives. I heard that all Cairns fronts are interchangeable for the traditional helmets currently in production...I'll let ya know

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    welcome, from a southern louisianaian.
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    Since the leathers are hand made, it is not all that uncommon to find mounting posts slightly off from one helmet to the next. Especially on older ones. Often the sheild can still be put on with a bit of force to line the holes up. But their is no guarantee. That is why many shield builders will not punch shield mounting holes and instead just ship you the shield unpunched.

    Home Depot and most decent hardware stores sell leather punches. Often made by General Tool. They cost about $15.00 and punch perfect holes and have adjustable sizes. Mine has been used dozens of times by people putting new shields or passports on. It also comes in handy when you need to add an extra hole on the belt!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    welcome, from a southern louisianaian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WD6956 View Post
    Since the leathers are hand made, it is not all that uncommon to find mounting posts slightly off from one helmet to the next. Especially on older ones. Often the sheild can still be put on with a bit of force to line the holes up. But their is no guarantee. That is why many shield builders will not punch shield mounting holes and instead just ship you the shield unpunched.

    Home Depot and most decent hardware stores sell leather punches. Often made by General Tool. They cost about $15.00 and punch perfect holes and have adjustable sizes. Mine has been used dozens of times by people putting new shields or passports on. It also comes in handy when you need to add an extra hole on the belt!.
    I will make a note to go pick one up. thank you for the info.

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    It also comes in handy when you need to add an extra hole on the belt!.
    Expanding or contracting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Expanding or contracting?
    Both ways, I do believe!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Expanding or contracting?
    Depends who's cooking that shift!

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    It fit...The shield could be a little taller to fit more into the holder but I am happy with it considering it came off my 880 chicago.

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    Stuff a small door wedge behind the shield, and under the rubber strap. My Paul Conway had the same problem. Which was weird considering they made the shield and shipped it with the helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Expanding or contracting?
    I am pretty sure that there are emperical studies which have proven that firehouse food actually shrinks Kevlar, PBI and Nomex. Anecdotal evidence certainly points in that direction.

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