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    Our company is a straight stick, we call it a ladder.

    Neighboring company has a tower ladder, they call it a tower.


    ... we call it:

    "Coward Ladder"
    "Dumpster Ladder"
    "Sissy stick"
    etc...etc....

    If it's got a bucket... F#$k it.


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    Our department has all quints for aerials. The 100-footer is a "ladder" (used to be a 102' platform, recently replaced with a 100' straight-stick) and the 75-footers are "truck". We used to have engines and pumpers (pumpers being the reserves, but the same trucks), but we changed that to all engines a few years ago.

    The one I always liked was the "booster" that the department had up until a couple of decades ago. It was an engine, but it was tasked with catching the plug on the majority of fires and boosting the hydrant pressure, hence it's name. The "booster", as I understand it, went back to the early 1900's when we first went to a motorized fleet with a combination of water and chemical engines. It carried over until the 80's or 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Our department has all quints for aerials. The 100-footer is a "ladder" (used to be a 102' platform, recently replaced with a 100' straight-stick) and the 75-footers are "truck". We used to have engines and pumpers (pumpers being the reserves, but the same trucks), but we changed that to all engines a few years ago.

    The one I always liked was the "booster" that the department had up until a couple of decades ago. It was an engine, but it was tasked with catching the plug on the majority of fires and boosting the hydrant pressure, hence it's name. The "booster", as I understand it, went back to the early 1900's when we first went to a motorized fleet with a combination of water and chemical engines. It carried over until the 80's or 90's.
    In some of the areas where I have served, the "booster" would have been a grass or brush rig.
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    For our county a 75' or shorter straight ladder or Tele-Squirt is referred to as a "Truck", any staright ladder 76' or greater is referred to as a "Ladder", and any Aerial Platform regardless of height is referred to as a "Tower". Pretty simple and you always know what's coming to you.

    Every ladder of any designation listed is actually a Quint but we don't refer to them that way as it's expected. I don't know of any non-Quint's within several counties of us.

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    Round here if it has a ladder with no bucket its a truck, if its a ladder with a bucket its a tower and the county doesn't recognize quints

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Quints, and the personnel assigned to them are "Bi-Trucksual"
    Bite me! Although it is not my PRIMARY assignment. T.C.

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    In South Florida we really don't have true "Truck" companies like there are up north. Some departments do, but they are often staffed bear minimum and often never utilized.

    One of the biggest departments down here, Miami-Dade uses Quints which they call Aerials. Although MDFR also has a fleet of Engines, the aerials function based on their arrival on the call. First due will work as an engine and pull lines and pump, while 2nd or 3rd can be backup engines, catch a hydrant or work as a truck. (I dont work for MDFR, if i'm wrong please correct me).

    In my department, we're supposed to have 3 "trucks" in service at all times, but for a few years now one has been out. Our ladders are staffed with only 2. We have one 100' Platform truck, which is designated Platform __ and the other ladder is a TDA designated Ladder __. We also have a spare quint, that functions as a ladder when the ladder is OOS or an engine when an engine is OOS.

    These ladders do not perform any "truck" work (unless we need to raise the stick). Although they have all the equipment, they are usually parked down the street. The medic units will grab tools off of the ladders and perform the "truck" work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    Whether truck or ladder, the correct term for the members that ride them are "sh*tty cooks" or similiar.
    Hey, when you're busy working all the time who has time to cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnVBFD View Post
    Hey, when you're busy working all the time who has time to cook

    Engine crunches are not considered work! Lol
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    On the "Left Coast" and in my local Area a "Truck" is classified by "Type".

    As defined by FIRESCOPE a Type 1 Truck (which is what our 100' Quint is) has (at a minimum):
    Truck Company
    Truck (Radio Call)

    Aerial (Specify platform or ladder): 75 Ft.
    Elevated Stream: 500 GPM
    Ground Ladders: 115 Ft.
    Personnel: 4

    A Type 2 Truck has (at a minimum):
    Aerial: 50 Ft.
    Elevated Stream: 500 GPM
    Ground Ladders: 115 Ft.
    Personnel: 4

    These are the minimum standards set by the State. In the past I worked on a Type 2 Truck that the FD called a Medic Engine, but when we arrived on scene we operated as a Truck. Our FD that we shared boundaries with also used us as their Truck for that area.

    To me, as a Truck Captain I know if my local FDs Trucks are Ladders, Platforms or a Squirt so when they respond into my Area I know what they're bringing me so a designator for each doesn't make a difference or help me. If I need a Ladder I have the flexibility to ask for a specific Unit, if I need a Platform same situation. To me, if the Crew can't effectively, efficiently and safely operate as a Truck Company than I don't want them or have a use for them because they're really just a glorified, over-sized Engine Company. Also the number of manpower is important, but refer back to my comment on the capabilities of the Crew.
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    After doing some more research, a lot of South Florida Ladder/Truck's are actually Quints. It seems thats the big thing down here. There aren't too many "dry" ladder trucks in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rescue101 View Post
    bite me! Although it is not my primary assignment. T.c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    Engine crunches are not considered work! Lol
    Sure they are...especially when the engine has a high RAM (runs after midnight). I just wish they would call you guys on like cell phones or something....that beeboop thing is annoying when I'm in the clouds....



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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
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    "Truck" is a widely used term in our area. In my career department, we exclusively run 100' RM dry tower ladders, and they're all called "Truck X."

    Many years ago (25+ years ago, really) all of the trucks at work were called "Aerial" ... until they hired a dispatcher who couldn't pronounce the word, so we ran a bunch of "Earls" according to his vernacular. Therefore, they were changed to "Truck" and all the world was right.

    In Richmond, the second quint on a multi-unit assignment is dispatched as "Truck X" to denote who's supposed to be responsible for truck work on arrival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    What about Chicago's snorkels? Are they "trucks" or "ladders"?
    They are Squads.

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