Why register? ...To Enhance Your Experience
+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Forum Member DennisTheMenace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Washington, DC/Northern Virginia
    Posts
    3,717

    Default Keep Back 500 Feet- ?

    Silly question, but why? My five year old stumped me with this one the other day. In case hose falls out the bed? but then it should be 50 or 1600 feet depending on how a department loads their hose. It is still on the Truck, and we don't carry 500 feet of ladder. Is/was it intended to be enforced only on the fire scene? I kind of surprised myself at not knowing this one.
    Be for Peace, but don't be for the Enemy!
    -Big Russ

    Learn from the mistakes of others; you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?


  2. #2
    Let's talk fire trucks! BoxAlarm187's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    3,156

    Default

    I've always understood it to be a holdover from the days when the men were riding tailboard - if a member fell off, 500' would give a following car plenty of time to swerve and avoid striking him.
    Career Fire Captain
    Volunteer Chief Officer


    Never taking for granted that I'm privileged enough to have the greatest job in the world!

  3. #3
    Forum Member DennisTheMenace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Washington, DC/Northern Virginia
    Posts
    3,717

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    I've always understood it to be a holdover from the days when the men were riding tailboard - if a member fell off, 500' would give a following car plenty of time to swerve and avoid striking him.
    That would make sense. Today is it just tradition then? Not sure that 500 feet would do it with today's road speeds either!
    Be for Peace, but don't be for the Enemy!
    -Big Russ

    Learn from the mistakes of others; you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

  4. #4
    MembersZone Subscriber voyager9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Southern NJ
    Posts
    2,007

    Default

    Since that phrase is on the back of more than fire trucks (buses, dump trucks..etc) I always assumed it had to do with the size of the vehicle. Being too close to the back of a big truck severely limits your forward situational awareness. Is traffic slowing down..etc.
    So you call this your free country
    Tell me why it costs so much to live
    -3dd

  5. #5
    Forum Member RyanEMVFD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    Why? It's not like you're going to visit me! But I'm near Waco, Texas
    Posts
    2,386

    Default

    500 feet should give a driver who is paying attention enough reaction time to dodge anything that might fall off the truck, i.e. hose, tools, ladders, firefighters, boots, spike stripes, nozzles, helmets and so forth.
    NREMT-P\ Reserve Volunteer Firefighter\Reserve Police Officer
    IACOJ Attack

    Experts built the Titanic, amateurs built the Ark.

  6. #6
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Pine Bluff, AR.
    Posts
    90

    Default Mmmm?

    Dennis, I have always wondered about this my self. 500ft is a long way (IMHO), and most people can't even read the lettering from that far.

  7. #7
    Forum Member FiremanLyman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    948

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEMVFD View Post
    500 feet should give a driver who is paying attention enough reaction time to dodge anything that might fall off the truck, i.e. hose, tools, ladders, firefighters, boots, spike stripes, nozzles, helmets and so forth.
    Waco is a rough town, but in Elm Mott?
    ~Drew
    Firefighter/EMT/Technical Rescue
    USAR TF Rescue Specialist

  8. #8
    Forum Member RyanEMVFD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    Why? It's not like you're going to visit me! But I'm near Waco, Texas
    Posts
    2,386

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    Waco is a rough town, but in Elm Mott?
    Just wondering if anyone would notice.
    NREMT-P\ Reserve Volunteer Firefighter\Reserve Police Officer
    IACOJ Attack

    Experts built the Titanic, amateurs built the Ark.

  9. #9
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    2,802

    Default

    i always figured it was for when the truck was stopped and working at a fire.

  10. #10
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Mass
    Posts
    1,037

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    I've always understood it to be a holdover from the days when the men were riding tailboard - if a member fell off, 500' would give a following car plenty of time to swerve and avoid striking him.
    That is what i was always told as well.

    But now it still exists because the distance allows time for a driver to react to a sudden stop as well as anything falling off the rig. Their are lots of items stored externally on most rigs so it's not all that surprising.

    But to add, all our rigs have KEEP BACK 300 FEET. Not 500 feet. In any event, NOBODY pays attention to the signs, EVER. We have people on our asses all the time. I was in an Engine with a Ladder following us back to quarters and when we (The Engine) switched lanes the ladder was going to as well. But a car in the lane we came into sped up and got on our tail and prevented the Ladder from coming over. We came to a light with the Ladder still int he lane next to us and this idiot on our bumper. I got out and walked to the back of the rig, pointed at the KEEP BACK 300 FEET sign then looked at the guy and held my hands up in disgust. He got the point and backed off once we took off.

  11. #11
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    3,370

    Default

    Some city/ states it is a traffic law when the brt has it's lights on

  12. #12
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    224

    Default

    I always thought it had to do with all the firehouse chili, pizza and wings etc we eat.

    It's for safety's sake!

  13. #13
    MembersZone Subscriber Dickey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2000
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    5,111

    Default

    Many state laws require 200-500 ft distance back only when lights and/or sirens are activated responding to, or parked on scene.
    Jason Knecht
    Assistant Chief
    Altoona Fire Dept.
    Altoona, WI

    IACOJ - Director of Cheese and Whine
    http://www.cheddarvision.tv/
    EAT CHEESE OR DIE!!

  14. #14
    MembersZone Subscriber tree68's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Jefferson County, NY USA
    Posts
    2,209

    Default

    Wonder if it harks back to the attempt by a rural fire department to help other apparatus find their way to the scene (back in the days before every truck and everybody had a radio)...

    Seems the chief thought it would be a great idea to put a container on the back step filled with small bags of flour. The plan was that whoever was riding the back step would toss one off at key points along the route - following apparatus would simply follow the white "splashes" in the road.

    As I recall, the experiment ended when the [insert high ranking local politician here] got one in the windshield...

    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. My workout
    By adam18 in forum Health and Wellness
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 07-02-2011, 09:54 PM
  2. Did you respond to WTC???
    By E40FDNYL35 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 197
    Last Post: 04-21-2011, 07:28 PM
  3. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-05-2004, 09:57 PM
  4. State Farm Withdraws From ISO
    By F02 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 52
    Last Post: 03-11-2001, 11:27 AM
  5. Anyone see this???
    By CollegeBuff in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 02-28-2001, 08:24 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts