FDNY Exam 2000

[JSnewyork]

just got back from the review and im screwed. i only got 1 wrong but the personality questions killed me.i got 25 pc. they are basically looking for the people that lie. for example if you answered i never lie with strongly agree or agree you got full credit. i read on this forum to choose disagree because youd be honest in your answer. wrong! how many times did you get a compliment last month? they want more than 5. what does that have to do with anything? if i didnt read that on this forum i would have just answered them all like i thought they wanted them answered,but instead i thought they were looking for honesty. just proves that everything on here is speculation. with no residency credits, do i even have a shot at all now?

[rpnyc1]

It's not over yet, dude. There's a couple things to keep in mind:

1. Like I said in my last post, we still don't know how those personality questions will be scored. 25 pc's could end up being only 3% or 4% knocked off your exam, and in the past they've gotten down to about 96 high or 97 low in hiring. This time around they'll be going further down the list, like possibly all the way to 7 or 8,000 candidates and who knows what that score will be.

2. A decent amount of those questions could be thrown out after the protests. The last thing they need is the door open for ANOTHER law suit because of 5 or 10 horribly worded questions with subjective answers. If people going in for the review have well articulated and logical protests that come in in large enough numbers, PSI might open up the answer key or throw out a lot of questions.

3. Even though you didn't walk away from the review with the results you were hoping for, we don't know how the score will shake out, and we really don't know how we stack up. Remember that the guys on this forum are a small percent of test takers who want it most and were best prepared. Just because a few of them nailed it (congrats to those of you who did) does not mean that 25 or 30 PC's on that personality test isn't the norm.

Keep your head up, stay fit, stay out of trouble. I believe that in the end things have a way of working out.

[myles8683]

Do they show you the ones you got wrong rite away? Or do you hav to click through the entire exam again?

[rpnyc1]

You go through the entire exam just like when you took it the first time. For each question the answer you gave is marked and each answer says FC, PC, or NC next to it. You are under the same time constraints as when you took the test, and you cannot go back to a section once you are through it, just like when you took the test. If you choose to protest a question, fill out one of the forms they provide you with, explain your answer and why you think it was equally or more valid than the answer key. Then write how you think they should score the questions i.e. "I think this question should be thrown out", or "I think the second answer should also receive full credit".

[HopefulFF]

Do they show you the ones you got wrong rite away? Or do you hav to click through the entire exam again?

you have to go through the whole exam. even the practice questions at the beginning. you can keep clicking "next" though.

[LongCut]

im gonna sign your pitty on the runny kine

[River6019]

I really feel like the personality section wont take a huge dent out of you score. Worst case scenario no way they are worth more than a half point per question and even if you get it wrong you still get .25 points. Best case scenario (unlikely because its so logical) the personality section is only one section out of 5 and maybe each section will be weighted 20%. In which case getting 8 wrong is only 1 point off.

I'm guessing section 5 will still be more like 40% of the test grade unfortunatley but even then with the partial credit for every answer 8 wrong will still only slap you for 2 points.

All speculation, but mathimatically with the layout of the test not nailing the personality section shouldnt be a death sentence.

BTW took the review on Monday, did great on the first 4 sections and ok in the personality. I protested every personality PC from section 5 though and my hand felt like it was gonna fall of from all the writing haha. Feel good about the test.

[DC33017]

Long cut....i got the exact question wrong as welll..... i protested as well......BS their answer was the 2nd purpose.....NOT the MAIN

[MFES]

Got one wrong on the first part and it was a question that clearly looks like i have the right answer for. Anyone else have that one? They ask the purpose about some part. I protested it. Got like 12 pc on the personality. Friggin bull****. Cant wait to see how heavily those are weighted

I had the same question and protested it as well. It seemed blatantly obvious.

[HopefulFF]

this question you guys are talking about did it have the disclaimer (there may be more than one answer) after the question?

[LongCut]

im gonna sign your pitty on the runny kine

[GIMMEFIRE600]

I really feel like the personality section wont take a huge dent out of you score. Worst case scenario no way they are worth more than a half point per question and even if you get it wrong you still get .25 points. Best case scenario (unlikely because its so logical) the personality section is only one section out of 5 and maybe each section will be weighted 20%. In which case getting 8 wrong is only 1 point off.

I'm guessing section 5 will still be more like 40% of the test grade unfortunatley but even then with the partial credit for every answer 8 wrong will still only slap you for 2 points.

All speculation, but mathimatically with the layout of the test not nailing the personality section shouldnt be a death sentence.

BTW took the review on Monday, did great on the first 4 sections and ok in the personality. I protested every personality PC from section 5 though and my hand felt like it was gonna fall of from all the writing haha. Feel good about the test.

The personality section may be worth more than you think.

I've heard of multiple departments that score the general knowledge based questions almost as a pass/fail. They set a passing score of, lets say 75.00%, and as long as you score above that, they then assign you a list number from the score of your personality section. Which means basically your entire grade is based upon the personality section.

The way the vulcans were stressing the personality section, I wouldn't put it passed garaufis and co. to score it this way.

[HopefulFF]

The personality section may be worth more than you think.

I've heard of multiple departments that score the general knowledge based questions almost as a pass/fail. They set a passing score of, lets say 75.00%, and as long as you score above that, they then assign you a list number from the score of your personality section. Which means basically your entire grade is based upon the personality section.

The way the vulcans were stressing the personality section, I wouldn't put it passed garaufis and co. to score it this way.

Pretty sure that's how Philly did it.

[TomFromQueens]

Long cut....i got the exact question wrong as welll..... i protested as well......BS their answer was the 2nd purpose.....NOT the MAIN

I think I protested the same question. I felt like my answer covered there answer. As a matter of fact what I picked was basically stated the sentence before the answer they wanted.

[GIMMEFIRE600]

Pretty sure that's how Philly did it.

It's a trend that most departments are following, if I was a betting man I'd place all my chips on the test being scored this way.

[Bellestoria]

It's a trend that most departments are following, if I was a betting man I'd place all my chips on the test being scored this way.

Hope you're wrong.

[kd44]

just got back from the review and im screwed. i only got 1 wrong but the personality questions killed me.i got 25 pc. they are basically looking for the people that lie. for example if you answered i never lie with strongly agree or agree you got full credit. i read on this forum to choose disagree because youd be honest in your answer. wrong! how many times did you get a compliment last month? they want more than 5. what does that have to do with anything? if i didnt read that on this forum i would have just answered them all like i thought they wanted them answered,but instead i thought they were looking for honesty.

Are you kidding me? I paid $450 for a prep class and went to the Vulcan meetings and they both said that if you oversold yourself then then would know that your lying. So the people who actual tried to prepare and went to review sessions are going to get screwed because they got bad information.

[DJ_Reverse]

This is very interesting how this is playing out, and I'm curious to see on my test how my personality is scored. One of the hugest issues I do have is that at my job I'm a supervisor, so while I love having help from my co-workers they have different chores than I do. I do know just from asking question to others who have took this test, that the first part I'm guarenteed to have a couple of partial credits which I will protest vehemently. Outside of that and the judge passing the test, it is going to be an intriguing summer for sure.

[CableGuy516]

I didn't schedule a review session because I didn't want to get too amped up or depressed about my results before our favorite Judge decided on what he's going to do, but now I'm getting antsy and wondering how I did on the personality section. I checked out the PSI site but scheduling is closed. Anyone know how they are doing it at the testing sites? Would it be possible to just show up with a copy of your original admission notice? Has anyone seen this at their review session? At the original exam, I believe I saw people with admission notices from days that weren't the day they showed up, but since they were in the system I don't think it mattered (unless they had rescheduled and didn't print out the rescheduled info from PSI's site).

[MIDWESTRECRUIT]

Seems like general consensus is guys are fairly happy with their scores so far? Wish I could make it up for the review but the trip in March to take the test went a little over budget!!

Yeah know the feeling.
Wonder if psi would let us get our info via email or over the phone. Lol doubt it but can dream that could happen