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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeShowing307 View Post
    Can some people post their letters here? It would be good to get ideas and to form a uinified front... plus I have no idea what to write lol
    LOL........you beat me to the punch.
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    I read this under the Saturday July 21 post on http://http://meritmattersusa.blogspot.com
    "The United Women Firefighters Association has been granted permission to use facilities at FDNY HQ to conduct orientations for candidates. I called and asked how other groups can do the same if they wish and am waiting for a response. I would urge any fraternal group that would like to avail themselves of the same opportunity to contact HQ to set up dates for your group."

    Anyone know what the orientation is for?

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    also if you have a friend or family member who is an attorney reach out to them tell them whats going on if they dont know already and ask if they would be willing to let you put there name on the form. it dosent matter what kind of law they practice, i have a family member who does divorce law and he said no problem

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    Dear FDNY Applicant,
    Congratulations on taking the exam to become a New York City Firefighter. The next step on the road to becoming a firefighter is the physical examination. We, at The United Women Firefighters Association are reaching out to you to begin the process of mentoring and training you to become one of New York’s Bravest. In the near future we will be hosting an orientation of the United Women Firefighters Association so you can talk to other female firefighters and hear what our Association is all about. The orientations will take place*on July 21st, at 1:00pm*July 25 at 7:00pm*and*July 30th at 7:00pmat FDNY Headquarters. The address is*9 Metrotech Center in Brooklyn New York.*You will need to present ID before you can enter the building. We will give you training tips, help you get familiar with the CPAT exam, conduct a question and answer session and introduce you to our physical fitness-training program.
    We would like to offer you some information to help you with your at home physical fitness training. Your physical training should begin as soon as possible. We would suggest the following information to help you obtain your fitness goal for the CPAT Exam.
    For those candidates looking for an affordable gym, the New York Parks and Recreational centers offers great deals on gym memberships. Every borough has a recreation center. Go tonycgovparks.org/facilities/ recreationcenters*for rates.
    Here is a list of equipment that you can begin to purchase for your own personal use. This equipment is essential to help with your training.

    Weighted vest – keep in mind when purchasing a vest that during your CPAT test, you will be on the Stairmaster wearing 70 pounds. You may want to consider buying an adjustable weighted vest so that you can work your way up to the required weighted needed. The inexpensive suggestion is to fill a backpack with large bags of rice, books, weights, etc. This will temporarily give you the additional weight needed to train with.

    To develop your grip strength, it is suggested that you purchase a handgrip. The inexpensive way is to purchase tennis balls to squeeze instead of the handgrip. Grip strength is essential to every task for CPAT.

    Join a local runner clubs. Brooklyn has a running group in Prospect Park and Manhattan has one in Central park. The New York Road Runners club offers running clinic to members.

    Use apps to track your training. Some suggested APPS to use is the Nike+GPS for running and the Nike Training for a good workout. There are several free training programs on ITunes. For fun fitness tracking try Nexercise. Friends can join you most of your APPS to encourage you with your daily fitness. Also try the Ifitness app.

    5. Lastly, There are several videos on YouTube that will show you how the CPAT exam looks and give you information about the CPAT process. Please review to get yourself familiar with the testing process.

    Before any physical fitness training can begin, you should go to your doctor for a physical. We have attached a health history form so that you can gage your level of fitness and the need for a physical.Bring this form with you to the orientation. Please know that you MUST submit a doctor’s note that you are healthy to do any level of fitness training before you begin our program. If you do not submit a form from your doctor, you will NOT train with the UWF,

    We are excited about meeting you and look forward to helping you achieve your next goal.

    The United Women Firefighters Association - UWF
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    Wow. I know most of us are guys on here but that's pretty encouraging news. Let's hope they get a great turnout

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    Interesting that they are having this orientation to talk about the CPAT before grades have even come out. Here's hoping that this means we'll be seeing scores in the fall and processing soon after!

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    First off, we are debating about the unified group letter. We are going to send this idea off to law experts and see where they go with it. That doesn't mean though that you can't write a letter based off of yourself. I suggest everyone write their own and if we go ahead to write a group one, use ours as a basic if you need help formulating.

    Next thing is that the UWF thing is a cluster(you know what) so I'd leave it alone. I wrote a personal letter to see if they would allow all or any as they are using city property for their training only to be turned down.

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    How many letters would we need to make some noise? Im not sure how many candidates are on 7029, 2043, 2000 and 2500 combined but we would probably need about 65-75% to write letters. Is this realistic?

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    in your letters dont forget to mention that study session in queens closed to white candidates.....that really happened and didnt make enough news

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    Quote Originally Posted by myles8683 View Post
    in your letters dont forget to mention that study session in queens closed to white candidates.....that really happened and didnt make enough news
    yep, attending that session and being turned away will definitely be mentioned in my letter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush2000 View Post
    How many letters would we need to make some noise? Im not sure how many candidates are on 7029, 2043, 2000 and 2500 combined but we would probably need about 65-75% to write letters. Is this realistic?
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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    Can someone please explain something because I guess I'm missing something. The original lawsuit was against tests 7029 given in 1999 and 2043 given in 2002. Then comes alone test 6019 in 2007 that the judge throws out because of disparate impact which he's says is basically discrimination because of the results. So how come only people are going to collect from the 7029 and 2043 tests? Was 6019 not discriminatory enough? Because if that's the case then the city shouldn't be stopped from hiring off that list. I just started thinking about this after reading all of the emails from the city about the fairness hearing. If someone could shed some light on this for me I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

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    Did anybody just get the same email from DCAS about the Relief Order? This is the 3rd time i'm getting this email, it looks the same as the previous two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellestoria View Post
    Did anybody just get the same email from DCAS about the Relief Order? This is the 3rd time i'm getting this email, it looks the same as the previous two.
    I got it too. It's the same.
    Test: 2000
    Score: 98
    List Number: 60**

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7andchange View Post
    Can someone please explain something because I guess I'm missing something. The original lawsuit was against tests 7029 given in 1999 and 2043 given in 2002. Then comes alone test 6019 in 2007 that the judge throws out because of disparate impact which he's says is basically discrimination because of the results. So how come only people are going to collect from the 7029 and 2043 tests? Was 6019 not discriminatory enough? Because if that's the case then the city shouldn't be stopped from hiring off that list. I just started thinking about this after reading all of the emails from the city about the fairness hearing. If someone could shed some light on this for me I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
    Might be something you want to mention in the letter.

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    Default My objection letter

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    Last edited by Geschaefer; 01-03-2014 at 09:13 PM.
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    Only suggestion to those who are writing is to make it serious. Sarcasim has a place but not in a letter of protest towards a Federal Judge involving a case. On the forums wayy understandable, in a official protest; not so much.
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    Sarcasm is rarely detectable through text. Your comments seem bitter and don't help the cause. You make all the good points but tighten up the snide and sarcastic remarks if you want your letter taken seriously.

    Edit: Sorry, I didn't read DJ's post. What he said.
    Test: 2000
    Score: 98
    List Number: 60**

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    Still trying to get the wording exactly how I want it. A main legal point I'll make sure to highlight is how the judge guaranteed that our race information on the application sheet (that he required us to input) would not effect our hiring. It obviously will if his decision stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geschaefer View Post
    This is my letter..
    Its not great; and im sure im missing a ton of import points I should be making.
    mostly im being a wise azz but for those who don't feel like typing; feel free to copy and paste any portion of mine.


    Tuesday, July 24, 2012

    From: XXXXXXX
    To: US DOJ
    Re: Objection to proposed Relief Order (Dkt. 922)

    My name is XXXXXXX
    I am a United States Marine Combat Veteran. I was hired off of list 6019 (List #XXXXXX) The V stands for Veteran. 5 days before myself and 149 other probationary Fire Fighters were to enter the academy the City rescinded their offer for employment due to budgetary concerns.
    A letter from the City informed us that we would be the first to be hired (when hiring commenced)
    Soon after; the DOJ and the Vulcan society became involved, and had my hiring list thrown out due to claimed racist hiring practices by the City of New York.
    I believe that all past entrance exams and hiring practices were fair and without regard to one’s race.
    As I recall; I had been investigated by 3 of the candidate investigations team’s employees; and all were Hispanic women.

    In one hand the DOJ and Vulcans are claiming that this relief order is to make whole all those who have been assumed victims of racism. Yet in the other hand they disregard we recent applicants who have been made to sit and wait while “justice be done”
    I find it truly boggling that the DOJ seeks so vigorously to rectify the claimed injustices done to Blacks and Hispanics by the cruel FDNY and City of New York; while at the same time the DOJ so blatantly ignores the fact that their quest for “Justice” has impeded the lives and quality of lives of all races affected by their involvement.
    The Vulcans have turned to you for claimed institution of unfair hiring practices; I’ll ask you this; who am I to turn to when you ACTUALLY institute unfair hiring practices?

    I don’t think that a truly impartial organization can so blatantly contradict its stated objectives.
    I believe that your organization should aim to be one who’s goal is “justice for all” as opposed to your careless relief order which provides “justice for some”

    You emailed me asking for an objection; and there you have it. I fully object to your relief order and ask that you withdraw your involvement and allow hiring to commence.
    I further request that the DOJ no longer entertain claims from the Vulcan society for a period lasting no longer than an accumulation of 1 year for each person not hired in a timely manner since their involvement or 6000 years; whichever is sooner.
    I will be careful not to anticipate a speedy or reasonable response; as I believe that your organization has made its decisions and biases quite clear throughout this witch hunt.

    Thank you in advance for writing all wrongs and leaving many unemployed or career-less during these hard economic times.

    Respectfully;
    XXXXXXX
    Great letter, leave out "cruel" fdny. Might be better without. Nice work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by River6019 View Post
    Still trying to get the wording exactly how I want it. A main legal point I'll make sure to highlight is how the judge guaranteed that our race information on the application sheet (that he required us to input) would not effect our hiring. It obviously will if his decision stands.

    I don't think that is correct. I believe the pool of applicants to reach the 293 quota are not people who took this exam. In other words, blacks or hispanics who took only this exam are not eligible to be hired outside of rank order off of our list. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HopefulFF View Post
    I don't think that is correct. I believe the pool of applicants to reach the 293 quota are not people who took this exam. In other words, blacks or hispanics who took only this exam are not eligible to be hired outside of rank order off of our list. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted the situation.
    Yeah, I guess exam 2000 people wouldn't be used for the spots. I was thinking of 1 of the 6 hiring "options" he gave the city a couple years back to be able to hire off 6019. Its was basically hiring 293 off 6019 with the quotas.

    All the more reason every one of the 40,000 plus who took this exam should be writing an objection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by River6019 View Post
    Yeah, I guess exam 2000 people wouldn't be used for the spots. I was thinking of 1 of the 6 hiring "options" he gave the city a couple years back to be able to hire off 6019. Its was basically hiring 293 off 6019 with the quotas.

    All the more reason every one of the 40,000 plus who took this exam should be writing an objection.

    It could certainly be worth mentioning, as the judge seems to be proposing several "remedies" that would also come off as racist. Maybe just worded differently/coming at it from another angle.

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    heres my letter just mailed it off



    US Department of Justice

    The basis of my objection to this relief order is that it is giving priority hiring to those who do not deserve it. They did not pass the test that others spent countless hours studying for, they did not prepare themselves mentally for the civil service exam and now they may be offered a job? A job where lives are on the line, thereby making a dangerous job even more dangerous .That just seems so far beyond logical I am struggling to wrap my brain around what is going on.
    I am a Veteran of the United States as well as a resident of New York City. I took exam 6019 and although I wholeheartedly disagree with the way the courts and Judge Garafius in particular handled it I accepted it and began studying for the next exam. As a full time student on the GI Bill I made time to study for exam 2000 because I knew that the FDNY recruiting efforts and minority outreach efforts would pay off. I attended many study sessions given by the city and even one given by the Vulcan Society only to be turned away at the door because I was white. Judge Garafius unfortunately does not seem to think the FDNY did enough and he feels priority hiring in the form of racial quotas is in order. How is that fair to returning veterans or anyone else who worked just as hard to get a good score on the test? I write this letter hoping that your minds aren’t already made up on this decision. Exam 2000 was a great exam straightforward and done by a third party PSI. I am confident that if the FDNY hired off that list alone for four years they would receive the desired outcome since they were not allowed to hire off the equally diverse list 6019. By none other than Judge Garafius, this judge has his own agenda and just wants to make a name for himself, he obviously has no regard for the city he serves or its citizens if he wants to give priority hiring to those who are not qualified to do a dangerous job and save lives. What is going on right now in his court room goes against every lesson I was ever taught in both military and civilian life.
    As the Department of Justice it is your obligation to thoroughly review all aspects involved in this case. Look at the FDNY recruitment efforts to minority communities, look at judge Garafius’ beyond reasonable demands for the FDNY as well as his quota hiring plans, look at the demographic breakdown of test takers, think of the repercussions his plans will have on public safety. I thank you for taking your time in reading my letter as I am sure you have a lot more that are very similar
    Very Respectfully
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