FDNY Exam 2000

[TomFromQueens]

Couldnt make it to the meeting tonight. For those of you who did if you could share the details I'm sure a lot of guy on here would appreciate it... My self included of course

Our plot for world domination...


Basically what issues we had with the exam if it's technical issues or questions that were unfair though we didn't go into specifics regarding questions because it still isn't safe to discuss the questions in the open yesterday

Be careful of who we have help take up our cause because there are a lot of people out there that will take our side not because they care about the merit system but because they are legit racist.

No matter what anyone OTJ says about the exam no one knows anything, the only person that knows how this will possibly play out is the judge.

As of right now if the exam is approved, they do plan to exhaust the promotional list before touching the 2000 list.

How we plan to get our message out there and to make sure the candidates on the list are heard.

A lot of points were touched on, it was a great job done by DJ Reverse on on organizing this.

[River6019]

Hey Tom, thanks for the meeting summary. I would have loved to make it myself but was flying back into NYC and didn't land till late.

[CSRNYC]

Our plot for world domination...


Basically what issues we had with the exam if it's technical issues or questions that were unfair though we didn't go into specifics regarding questions because it still isn't safe to discuss the questions in the open yesterday

Be careful of who we have help take up our cause because there are a lot of people out there that will take our side not because they care about the merit system but because they are legit racist.

No matter what anyone OTJ says about the exam no one knows anything, the only person that knows how this will possibly play out is the judge.

As of right now if the exam is approved, they do plan to exhaust the promotional list before touching the 2000 list.

How we plan to get our message out there and to make sure the candidates on the list are heard.

A lot of points were touched on, it was a great job done by DJ Reverse on on organizing this.

Thank you for the summary of the meeting really appreciate it.

[GIMMEFIRE600]

Our plot for world domination...


Basically what issues we had with the exam if it's technical issues or questions that were unfair though we didn't go into specifics regarding questions because it still isn't safe to discuss the questions in the open yesterday

Be careful of who we have help take up our cause because there are a lot of people out there that will take our side not because they care about the merit system but because they are legit racist.

No matter what anyone OTJ says about the exam no one knows anything, the only person that knows how this will possibly play out is the judge.

As of right now if the exam is approved, they do plan to exhaust the promotional list before touching the 2000 list.

How we plan to get our message out there and to make sure the candidates on the list are heard.

A lot of points were touched on, it was a great job done by DJ Reverse on on organizing this.

What "source" told you that "they do plan to exhaust the promo list?"

I find this funny, being that, right before the above sentence you state how nobody except the judge knows anything.

[vekdoggs75]

Appreciate the feedback on the meeting, but I was wondering the same thing about exhausting the promo list?

[TomFromQueens]

What "source" told you that "they do plan to exhaust the promo list?"

I find this funny, being that, right before the above sentence you state how nobody except the judge knows anything.

I could have misheard because they were blasting music below us but everything is pending the judge

[CableGuy516]

I could have misheard because they were blasting music below us but everything is pending the judges approval but if everything goes down like it normally would, the city would exhaust the 2500 list before touching the 2000 list. I believe the source was a woman that worked for DCAS and took the last two exams, anyone else that was there, if I'm wrong feel free to clarify or correct what I'm saying. At times it was hard to hear with the music blasting and where I was sitting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they hire people off the regular list the past 2 exams before exhausting the promotion list? In that case, if things went down as they "normally would," then the first class would be a mix of 2500 and 2000 people, no? I'm not 100% sure of how it went down in the past but I think I remember people saying this was the case. I'm sure the 6019 guys can fill us in on how it has gone down in the past.

[GIMMEFIRE600]

I could have misheard because they were blasting music below us but everything is pending the judges approval but if everything goes down like it normally would, the city would exhaust the 2500 list before touching the 2000 list. I believe the source was a woman that worked for DCAS and took the last two exams, anyone else that was there, if I'm wrong feel free to clarify or correct what I'm saying. At times it was hard to hear with the music blasting and where I was sitting.

DCAS knows squat. Try another source.

I know somebody here was spewing false info about DCAS doing the hiring. DCAS administers the exam, establishes a list and hands it to the FDNY, who then proceeds to hire as they please. DCAS has zilch to do with the actual hiring of candidates. They know nothing about the process.

[Jukez]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they hire people off the regular list the past 2 exams before exhausting the promotion list? In that case, if things went down as they "normally would," then the first class would be a mix of 2500 and 2000 people, no? I'm not 100% sure of how it went down in the past but I think I remember people saying this was the case. I'm sure the 6019 guys can fill us in on how it has gone down in the past.

I don't remember the exact numbers but off the first and only class from 6019 they had about 80-90 promotion spots and around 230 or so from the open competitive. I could be off by just a few numbers but that should be pretty accurate.

[GIMMEFIRE600]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they hire people off the regular list the past 2 exams before exhausting the promotion list? In that case, if things went down as they "normally would," then the first class would be a mix of 2500 and 2000 people, no? I'm not 100% sure of how it went down in the past but I think I remember people saying this was the case. I'm sure the 6019 guys can fill us in on how it has gone down in the past.

Since the promo from ems was created, there has never been an all ems class. What does that tell you.

Also, if the FDNY could've, don't you think they would've bargained with garaufis to let them hire off the promo? These people would've been hired regardless, right? So why not hire them in the mean time? Because there's no way in hell garaufis would allow only ems classes to enter because then you'd be keeping minorities out again. I know what you're thinkin, but the ems side is mostly minority, true. Garaufis sees the ems employees as members of the FDNY already, they're in the system as far as he's concerned, they don't count. This is the main reason you will never see only ems classes.

Second reason being the department can't afford to lose that many ems members in such a short period of time. Once the FD hiring kicks into gear, you're looking at over 300 people every 4.5 months. The emt academy is only capable of training that amount in a year, plus they have one of the highest attrition rates of all city employees because, quite frankly, that job sucks.

[FDNYPD]

...because, quite frankly, that job sucks.

I lol'd....

[Jukez]

Since the promo from ems was created, there has never been an all ems class. What does that tell you.

Also, if the FDNY could've, don't you think they would've bargained with garaufis to let them hire off the promo? These people would've been hired regardless, right? So why not hire them in the mean time? Because there's no way in hell garaufis would allow only ems classes to enter because then you'd be keeping minorities out again. I know what you're thinkin, but the ems side is mostly minority, true. Garaufis sees the ems employees as members of the FDNY already, they're in the system as far as he's concerned, they don't count. This is the main reason you will never see only ems classes.

Second reason being the department can't afford to lose that many ems members in such a short period of time. Once the FD hiring kicks into gear, you're looking at over 300 people every 4.5 months. The emt academy is only capable of training that amount in a year, plus they have one of the highest attrition rates of all city employees because, quite frankly, that job sucks.

You sound like you had your share of experience with FDNY EMS lol. I do agree with you though, I was told to join Ems for like 7 years now and just couldn't force myself to do it, I give props to who ever is out there doing it but I personally wouldn't be able to handle 20 something years of that. With that being said I choose the old fashion way to compete against the thousands and thousands of applicants, did it once got screwed now hoping and praying for a second opportunity.

[Minerva]

1) FDNY Medal Day today. Congrats to all those receiving recognition.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/pub...2012_FINAL.pdf

Members of Engine Co. 201 and Tower Ladder 114 talking about their actions.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8JF2Ecu7hI8

2) 68 years ago today, June 6, 1944, D-Day, Allied Forces invaded Europe, led by the United States.

3) 14 years ago yesterday, June 5, 1998, was the day of the Atlantic Ave fire where Lieutenant James Blackmore made the supreme sacrifice. Captain LaPiedra was critically burned, but survived until July 4, 1998, when made the supreme sacrifice, due injuries suffered at the fire. Captain Timmy Stackpole was severely injured that day. He eventually made it back to the job, but was later lost on 9/11/01. Also, injured were Brian Baiker and FF Terrance Quinn.

4) As of now, there is very little credible information out there in regards to List 2000. We still do not know how it will be scored, weighted or when the list will be established. The judge still will get his chance to look at list, which he then has to approve or disapprove.

5) As I said before, recruitment will tell you that the promo list will be exhausted first. My understanding of this issue, it is supposed to be done that way. However, in the past, EMS promos have been dispersed throughout the classes that were hired. BUT, none of that means ANYTHING until it actually happens. Regardless of how the promos are hired, all first or distributed a bit at a time into classes, that entire list will be used. Meaning, it's irrelevant how the promos are hired, because they will be hired regardless.

6) Agan, At this point, if anyone says they know what's happening for sure, they're either full of it or lying. Nobody does. This process, so far, is being held closely to then chest by PSI, DCAS and the FDNY. Take all information with a grain of salt until it comes from an official sources.

7) There was no representative of any city agency at the meeting. It was simply a group of potential candidates who wish to become FDNY members.

8) At this time, If you wish to attempt to get further official information, call FDNY recruitment or DCAS.

[TomFromQueens]

Go to the next meeting

[GIMMEFIRE600]

I genuinely had difficulty hearing because of the music blasting down stairs so I could have misheard but I could of sworn I heard the woman say the city plans the exhaust the promo list before the open competitive list if the judge approves the exam. I believe she worked for DCAS or EEO. Again I stress I was sitting right by the stair case that led to the downstairs bar and they had music blasting so at time it was difficult for me to hear. But according the scav here, he spoke to recruitment and they told him the same. They stressed no one knows how this will play out but they're supposed to exhaust the promo list first. But in the past it usually doesn't happen like that. Also I'm pretty sure they said last night DCAS in charge of the hiring. Again anyone else that was there that post here, please correct me if I'm wrong to clarify what I'm saying. If those that didn't go last night have a problem with what I'm saying of the information, maybe go to the meeting next time.

I'll say it one more time and word it slightly differently and then you can believe what you want.

DCAS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OFFERING CANDIDATES A POSITION WITH THE FDNY.

P.S. Thanks for confirming that I didn't waste a few hours I could never recoup by going to that meeting last night.

[FdnytolifeE293]

I have to agree with Tom. At times (50%) it was extremely difficult to hear because of the music blasting. But, I heard the same thing about the promo list. So, the person I spoke to at the recruitment center was saying the truth so far. But then again things are always subject to change.

[Minerva]

Again, there was nobody from DCAS or EEO at the meeting. Meaning, there was no official source.

Again, it is absolutely true that FDNY recruitment will tell you they plan to hire all the EMS promos first. However, the key word is 'recruitment.' Also, to my knowledge (and feel free to correct me if needed) there were no classes hired from 2043 that were all Promos. This was also true for the first and only class hired from 6019. However, nobody know what's going to happen yet. It's likely to remain that way until early fall.

For some perspective, remember, exam 6019 was given in January 2007. Hiring did not begin until June 2008. Be prepared for a long haul.

[BrooklynBorn]

Minerva were you at the meeting? just curious since you always have such informative posts.

Another thing the meeting stressed was not to talk about the details at all, things aren't neccesarily over yet.

[Minerva]

Yes, I was at the meeting.

And you are correct to note that it is important to NOT talk about specific exam content on this forum (or any, for that matter) until official permission is given (DCAS or FDNY). This forum is public and public officials do view these message boards. Think before you post and be respectful.

In general it is best to keep speculation to a minimum. It serves very little purpose, if any. It is best take this whole situation one step at a time. We have each have done all we can to this point. Now we must wait for the next step to come. I know it stinks. But that is the nature of our pursuit.

[FDNYPD]

In general it is best to keep speculation to a minimum. It serves very little purpose, if any. It is best take this whole situation one step at a time. We have each have done all we can to this point. Now we must wait for the next step to come. I know it stinks. But that is the nature of our pursuit.

Any post from here until the list is released will be speculation and speculation rebuttal. Let this thread fall into the the depths of Hiring and Employment Discussion until then