Now, don't be mistaken, there is no way in hell Garaufis changes his mind about this but technically this fairness stuff is still being deliberated.
Hey everyone - just a quick question and I hope it doesnt stir the pot from what could be bull**** hear say.
While I was taking my ems medical, another candidate mentioned that a friend of his who was already FDNY EMS but was not on the job to take the promotional exam - was still taken before other people on the open comp list in years past because he was already technically part of the FDNY and through with his pysc, medical, and background check. Any truth to this? I understand that they would still have to complete the CPAT. Seems far-fetched to me either way.
Good luck to everyone and thanks for all the info.
Gentlemen, it was a honor to serve you as as the guy who organized the Candidate group but unlike a lot of you I most likely will not be called in the next four years as I have a list number in 96XX range. Hopefully in four years time I will get to see all of you and work with you as a new probie but until then it was a pleasure and a honor.
I appreciate it, yea im not giving up on anything at all. Its just very frustrating. I have a now brother in law that was a assistant DA and he wouldnt even help me out making a phone call or 2 when I was going through the process. I mean I dont want hand outs, but I would have def taking just a little help at getting onto something as rewarding of a job as the nypd. And the fact that, that pysch process did me in on that 1 week before the academy really hurt me. Yes my answers were alittle inconsistant because I didnt know what they meant by getting "drunk", my interpertation of getting "drunk" is alittle different then socially drinking a beer or 2 at dinner or what not. I have a ton of friends who are fdny and nypd, and this is what i wanna do. Now I wait a few years for the fdny test and I score pretty decent 94, and the only reason why I scored a 94, and not like a 98 or such is because of these stupid pysch questions... I knew going in that I was gonna have to lie on a few of them, and click what "they wanna hear" but I was not about to lie on things like how many times I was out for work and stuff of that nature because that is something they were gonna find out eventually. And I was honest on them and they did me in.. just really blows I wanted this bad
Even though my list number is #700X and I scored a 97, I still feel like I have no chance in hell for them to even reach that number within that 4 yr bracket. Kinda sucks, this was my last chance to ever get on. I really had my heart and soul set on this job. Back to working cleaning stuff after people. If they call me then I guess they call me.
Future advisement, anyone old enough to take this exam in 4 yrs, remember to lie your a $ $ off to get a perfect score. That's the kind of people FDNY looking for, perfect liars. If they ask how many time you said thank you to your waiter or how many times you shook someone's hand in a month? Make sure you answer that you said thank you so much to the point people thought you were retarded or you shook so many hand to the point you developed carpal tunnel syndrome. Good luck guys all the way up the top of the hill.
Yep. That's exactly who we're looking for. :rolleyes:
Go outside! It's still supposed to be nice today. This will be here when you get back.
what is the current pension with the fdny for new hires? i know alot has changed since we would have gotten hired 5 yrs ago
I was scheduled for the next class and now I have no chance sitting around 15,XXX. I took my medical 3 times and passed the back round, psych, CPAT, etc. I was told by numerous people on numerous occassions at Metro tech and on the Rock unofficially to expect to be called very soon and therefore turned down multiple opportunities and chose not to pursue a masters degree. It's been a long wait and to have it end this way is beyond infuriating. I am devestated and feel betrayed. Just venting but this was my last chance since I am over 30 years old and waited almost 7 years to get screwed.
Goddamnit man. This is the kind of crap that tears me up and was inevitable to happen to some of us 6019'rs. It really is the perfect nightmare. I am really sorry bro. Just keep in mind what a couple of others have said earlier. There are other departments on the east coast and this country in general. You're not too old for some of them. I know it's FDNY or nothing. I get that. But just keep that in mind. A couple others guys from our list are on the job in places like DC and Baltimore. And the COL is not as bad. Keep your spirits up man. All of you 6019 guys who got F'd...
Radio interview with Paul mannix
Well as a few others have already stated, my dream is now dead too... I don't post on here very often, but I check this thread daily. On 6019 I scored a 98.2 and was list number 38xx. 2000 I scored a 90 and now am at 26,000 and something. I'm not bitter about my performance, only towards one man's political agenda. I've thought about the FDNY everyday for the past seven years. Being that I'm 31 now, this was my last shot. It's really weird knowing that I won't need to check this thread or the rant daily anymore. Fortunately I got on the job in Florida a few years back. So at the end of the day, I'm still on the job. For the rest of you 6019er's that got screwed, I truly do feel for you. As roadrunner just stated, there's plenty of great jobs out there. You just have to do some research and go find them. For the rest of you guys that made it, Congratulations! You're one step closer to the best dept in the world. If you do make it all the way, appreciate everyday of it. Take pride in your work, especially getting in the sink and making coffee. You might not think so, but everyone will be watching what your doing. Best of Luck to You All and Stay Stafe!!
Court documents stating minimizing scoring differences between ethnic groups.....wtf.....this was a fixed fight?
question for anyone who knows once the first class of oc is established will there be a way of telling how many numbers they went through is there a way of keeping track how close you are ?
How is this fair? After all is said and done the statistics haven't changed but some of those guys who thought their dream was gonna come true are now not even within reach. How is that providing a fair and even chance for everyone? I have a chance to get into the first class and I am beyond excited but if I could give this up to someone on 6019 who should have been hired I would do it. In a heart beat because that's what's fair and I have time to take it again. These people and politicians really damaged people permanently and there's nothing to show for it. I really hope I do something good with this opportunity and I truly hope those poor guys who go screwed find something better.
I appreciate the words of encouragement. I am still in shock going from list # 12XX to 15,XXX really hurt. Best of luck and congratulations to all those who made it whether 6019 or not I am happy for you.
Don't know if I'm trying to pep talk myself or speaking the truth but I'm sure alot of guys that claimed residency aren't going to be able to prove it. I really think and pray guys with #'s into the high 8,000's have a shot. May take a few years ( 3 or 4 ) but it's worth the wait if they do infact have a 1 to 4 ratio putting guys in. The guys that got screwed from 6019, there are no words! Best of luck! Guys that have a shot, let's stay patient and see how the numbers play out once they put in the first full OC class.
For all of you guys who might have not seen this before...I made this with with my fellow candidates during our limbo stage, with all of us sitting with a great list number, we faught for someone to hear us, especially to give us another shot to take the exam and grant us an age extension. As unfair as all of this was to us, let this be a lesson learned. People will do whatever they want when it interest them, but if it effects you.. what do you do? Alone you can't do much..but as a group you are strength in numbers. I refuse to let 293 ahead of my well deserved spot, and everyone else should speak up if they feel the same. I could just as easily make a new video about this topic and it will get heard and seen by lots of people. But I would need everyone's participation.
Joeybatts, you have my support. I refuse to have 293 spots on this list to be put on the chopping block. This lawsuit hurt to many good people who deserved their chance. I'll pm you my info
1.Predict No More Than 2,400 Will Be Hired From Firefighter Lists
By SARAH DORSEY
The city Law Department last month said that 8,548 firefighter candidates who took this year’s open competitive exam were likely to be considered for appointment, but a Fire Department spokesman last week acknowledged that far fewer are likely to be hired, although there’s a “very strong possibility” that all could be contacted.
An FDNY spokesman said roughly 2,400 candidates figured to be appointed from that list and a promotional roster.
The FDNY will begin hiring again for the first time since 2008 after Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis threw out the previous three entrance exams and ordered the text revamped and made more job-related as part of the U.S. Justice Department’s racial-discrimination lawsuit.
EMS Workers Get First Crack
The city announced that candidates on a promotion list of 870 EMTs and Paramedics will likely be considered first, beginning in January. Before being appointed, each must pass a physical exam and go through a medical, psychological and background screening process.
Typically, about 600 Firefighters are hired per year, though the department spokesman said the total number will depend on many variables, including the funds allotted by the city’s Office of Management and Budget, how long classes run this year and whether they’re allowed to overlap, and other factors. Among those factors is an unusually large vacancy rate in the Firefighter ranks.
It’s difficult to predict how far down the list the FDNY will have to reach to fulfill its hiring needs over the next four years. After Sept. 11, the department contacted some 7,000 to 9,000 candidates, when it had to replace not only the 343 who died that day, but many others who were sick or injured or retired shortly after. Today, it’s down more than 650 firefighters due to the hiring freeze imposed by the Judge.
The spokesman said the FDNY typically loses 40 or 50 firefighters a month through attrition. But this year, Mr. Garaufis reserved up to 293 spots for black and Latino candidates who weren’t hired after taking the 1999 and 2002 tests. It’s anyone’s guess how many will still be interested and will score high enough on this year’s physical and written exams to qualify for appointment. But their presence may mean that fewer of those who took the 2012 test will be contacted.
The longer a list is used, the more candidates the department typically has to run through before making a successful hire, since some have grown comfortable in other jobs or are no longer physically fit to join.
For the first time in the Fire Department’s history, nearly 50 percent of those who passed the 2012 written exam with a score high enough to be likely considered for appointment were people of color, and more women met the cutoff than in the last three exams combined.
Read more: http://fdnyrant.proboards.com/index....#ixzz28ZSTlbyP
Does anyone have the figures on how many FF's are eligible to retire over the life of this list? I know the attrition rate is (on average) 40-50 per month, but how many guys have been sticking around in order to accumulate over time? I hope I'm not getting too far ahead of myself, just curious about the numbers for a reference.
Does anyone know if I can somehow see my test and an answer key? Just curious.