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    Quote Originally Posted by Depan395 View Post
    This is my question, 2400ff that covers the avg ret 40-50 a month. Now with 200millon in overtime being paid wouldn't fdny hire more then that so they don't have to pay that much OT?
    It's much cheaper to pay out the OT then hire new guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven9d3 View Post
    i heard that once the first class hits the 3 month point of there training there going to put in the second class in the academy so this way they can get 3.5-4 class done in a year
    Highly doubt it. I have no clue how the rock is set up but if they had room to put in more i'm sure they'd just have bigger classes. Plus, you'd need double the instructors.

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    They will not canvas from the OC for January. They have to offer you the 12 week CPAT course, and it's too late to start that now.

    Also there are a ton of new guys that are just going to be waiting for their 2 years to be eligible, so there may be a steady/slow trickle of EMS people for the next few years, but I imagine the impact will be minimal. I had not heard all of the specifics that have been said over the last page, but it wouldn't surprise me if they exhausted the list just to get 300.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eng1irons View Post
    Highly doubt it. I have no clue how the rock is set up but if they had room to put in more i'm sure they'd just have bigger classes. Plus, you'd need double the instructors.
    i dont know how its gonna work but i think someone that works there has a better idea then us

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven9d3 View Post
    i heard that once the first class hits the 3 month point of there training there going to put in the second class in the academy so this way they can get 3.5-4 class done in a year
    there is no way they will do that...they don't have the room down there for that many people number 1 and number two if you look on the fd main web site they state they want to hire two classes of 300 a year for for years which equals 2400 firefighters.

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    the fire department received permission from the city to hire 3000 guys and use 10 classes
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    Quote Originally Posted by steven9d3 View Post
    the fire department received permission from the city to hire 3000 guys and use 10 classes
    Source please

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    one guy from the rock and multiple staff cheifs
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    Quote Originally Posted by eng1irons View Post
    It's much cheaper to pay out the OT then hire new guys.
    You're clueless.

    On the topic of starting another academy while one is in already shows you're even more clueless. It's been done before multiple times. Especially with classes less than 300 which it sounds like the January EMT class might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600 View Post
    You're clueless.

    On the topic of starting another academy while one is in already shows you're even more clueless. It's been done before multiple times. Especially with classes less than 300 which it sounds like the January EMT class might be.
    Yeah this two classes at once deal sounds doable for the january class with so little EMS dudes passing the pre academy requirements. Academy in March? Im going to bloom with the flowers haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600 View Post
    You're clueless.

    On the topic of starting another academy while one is in already shows you're even more clueless. It's been done before multiple times. Especially with classes less than 300 which it sounds like the January EMT class might be.
    What?? You honestly think its cheaper to hire somebody new, train them, pay their salary, pension, fringe benefits etc then have guys already working work overtime? Each person they hire costs the city millions long term. It's much much cheaper to pay overtime then hire somebody. You don't have to trust me, just google it. (http://www.lvrj.com/news/county-offi...144311185.html, http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...-firefighters/).

    As far as the academy goes... you got me there. Like I said I have no idea how they are set up at the rock, but if they had the facilities and instructors available, why stagger the classes? Why not just have a bigger class to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eng1irons View Post
    What?? You honestly think its cheaper to hire somebody new, train them, pay their salary, pension, fringe benefits etc then have guys already working work overtime? Each person they hire costs the city millions long term. It's much much cheaper to pay overtime then hire somebody. You don't have to trust me, just google it. (http://www.lvrj.com/news/county-offi...144311185.html).

    As far as the academy goes... you got me there. Like I said I have no idea how they are set up at the rock, but if they had the facilities and instructors available, why stagger the classes? Why not just have a bigger class to begin with.
    Overtime is cheaper to a point, but at some point new bodies are less expensive. Also the level of overtime they're at is unsustainable and unsafe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven9d3 View Post
    one guy from the rock and multiple staff cheifs
    i wouldn't go by hear say unless its been in a department order or on there website..they have never double stacked the classes even after 9/11 when they were really hurting. they did a class and started one a few weeks after. they split the class up where one class comes in a few hours earlier.

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    There will be NO double classes... There's lack of room at the rock. 325 candidates will be the top amount. That place is not an nypd training building people! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng1irons View Post
    What?? You honestly think its cheaper to hire somebody new, train them, pay their salary, pension, fringe benefits etc then have guys already working work overtime? Each person they hire costs the city millions long term. It's much much cheaper to pay overtime then hire somebody. You don't have to trust me, just google it. (http://www.lvrj.com/news/county-offi...144311185.html, http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...-firefighters/).

    As far as the academy goes... you got me there. Like I said I have no idea how they are set up at the rock, but if they had the facilities and instructors available, why stagger the classes? Why not just have a bigger class to begin with.
    Instead of giving me an article in Vegas why don't u google FDNY overtime and educate yourself. The starting salary in NYC is so much lower for starting FF's then a FF at top pay that your paying the guys at top pay, which almost all the guys on the job make, almost 200% more than a probie. Plus the fact that new probies pensions are in a new tier and cheaper. plus when the OT dries up guys will retire in droves.

    Just look at what the job looked like before the hiring freeze. They were almost 400 guys over head count to keep OT costs non existent. That should tell you more than u need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600 View Post
    Instead of giving me an article in Vegas why don't u google FDNY overtime and educate yourself. The starting salary in NYC is so much lower for starting FF's then a FF at top pay that your paying the guys at top pay, which almost all the guys on the job make, almost 200% more than a probie. Plus the fact that new probies pensions are in a new tier and cheaper. plus when the OT dries up guys will retire in droves.




    Just look at what the job looked like before the hiring freeze. They were almost 400 guys over head count to keep OT costs non existent. That should tell you more than u need to know.
    why are guys going to retire in droves?? they have there best three years ..it doesn't matter if the OT dries up

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    Its last not best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600 View Post
    Its last not best.
    its the average of your 3 best years

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven9d3 View Post
    its the average of your 3 best years
    average of best three i meant, its only your last year for guys that got on around 1999 0r 2000

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    Some of you guys on the last few pages have been killing me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BKLYNBOY View Post
    So rumor has it that the promo list might not have enough eligible canidates to fill the first class, workout ppl you might be getting called sooner then you think!
    assuming its physical Wouldnt they not get passed over yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600 View Post
    Instead of giving me an article in Vegas why don't u google FDNY overtime and educate yourself. The starting salary in NYC is so much lower for starting FF's then a FF at top pay that your paying the guys at top pay, which almost all the guys on the job make, almost 200% more than a probie. Plus the fact that new probies pensions are in a new tier and cheaper. plus when the OT dries up guys will retire in droves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600 View Post
    Instead of giving me an article in Vegas why don't u google FDNY overtime and educate yourself. The starting salary in NYC is so much lower for starting FF's then a FF at top pay that your paying the guys at top pay, which almost all the guys on the job make, almost 200% more than a probie. Plus the fact that new probies pensions are in a new tier and cheaper. plus when the OT dries up guys will retire in droves.

    Just look at what the job looked like before the hiring freeze. They were almost 400 guys over head count to keep OT costs non existent. That should tell you more than u need to know.
    Salary wise, yes it is cheaper to hire a probie than pay a top pay ff overtime. That's obvious. I don't think you're taking into account all the fringe benefits the city takes on (during their whole career, 22 years no less) when they hire somebody That's 22 years of pension, health insurance etc that they're paying into. Each person the city hires costs millions throughout their career. It's the exact reason PD didn't hire anybody during the budget crisis either. Our overtime spiked as well, but it's still cheaper.

    When the OT does get cut though, people will start retiring. That's when it is cheaper to replace them with new people. That's what nassau pd did, during their budget crisis they couldn't hire (because again its cheaper to pay the OT), so they offered incentives for people to retire and replaced them with new guys.

    It's not worth hijacking the thread or arguing over though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBorn View Post
    assuming its physical Wouldnt they not get passed over yet?
    So far I have heard that 120 were dq'd because of age

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    i think we are going to see alot of people lose there extra points on the test its going to be tough for people to prove they live in the city and i know roughly around 15-20 people who took the test and 2 (1 within hiring range) of the "accidentally" clicked the residency box when they live in nassau

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    I was hoping you would say more than 2.



    I was under the impression it was the last 3 years for the guys with retiring age.
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