FDNY Exam 2000

[Jocon31]

Congrats to all those who did well on the exam. Just had a question. Maybe someone can give me some insight into the residency points. I was planning on moving back in june of 2010, and switched my address to a PO Box. I switched it back to my apartment a month later. Will this be a problem, even though i have never lived anywhere else but the city?

[Dannypanigale]

even a 1:3 i should be good. but for the sake of the people on here who truly want the job like me, ill wish for a 1:6 ratio. with the number of people who are out of shape and have criminal records, who get settled other jobs. who get a medical illness, decide they dont want it, dont show up, and quit. im truly hoping a 1:5 is possible. plus remember, people take tests just to take tests. ive taken about a dozen police and fire tests as practice, doesnt mean i would take them all. so id say after the physicals boot a bunch, then medicals, and legal checks, lets not forget drug tests, then even showing up for the academy, then factoring people who quit id say 1:5 is realistic. plus a ton of guys are hanging on right now just because of overtime. normally 40-50 retire a month. but once the overtime dries up it will be much much more. even tho im trying to convince myself just as much as i am you, id say 9,000+ isnt unrealistic.. any thoughts?

I'm going to ride with you with this one until the end !!!! What's your list number ? Pm me to keep in contact on these four long years we got Ahead of us !!!!!!

[FDsouthbxNY]

I'm mid 2000's and I'm worried about being called. For a number as high as yours I would be really worried and looking for an alternative job.

We have many things going against us. First the bad enconomy. Many people will go out of their way to make sure they get this job if offered. People know that working for the government is the way to go and the FDNY is a very easy secure job.

I already know someone who is above me in list number and he is going to take the position, and somebody in the 5000's who will take the position and are going to be working very hard. Nobody on the list is like, I got something better I will not take it. Expect the people to be extra motivated this time. Especially for the fact that they know how many years it took to get hired on this job and how difficult it is now. Plus they probably have no job offer elsewhere.

The 6019 test had about a 1:3 ratio of people who took the job, that was when the ecnomy was good and people had work and opportunities. Expect much less for this test. Probably a 1:2 ratio or possibly lower.

They estimate 600 per year hired. Well, then with a 1:2 ratio, that will be 4800 people they will contact from the list. 1:4 ratio is just rediculous as some people mentioned here. Even with a 1:3 ratio, they will get to list number 7200. But test 6019 had a 1:3 ratio, this ratio will be much smaller because the economy is so much worse.

We have to deal with the promo EMT guys and the lawsuit candidates who get priority hiring.

Expect academy class cuts like someone here has mentioned. I remember hearing about them cutting classes in the past. Also expect fire department closings. Remember, with all the safety codes today, in my opinion firemen are not nearly as needed as years ago. They already are doing many fire house closings and cuts. Expect this to get worse as NYS runs out of money.

I would say they will probably not get down as low as your list number. If they do it will be 3 or 4 years, towards the very end of the test if you are lucky.

I know people will disagree but this is my thinking. With my mid 2000's list number I am very very worried if I will be called.

I would not worry about training yet. Your not going to be called until 3 or 4 years, if your lucky to be called at all, with your list number so why do all that hard training.

You're an idiot. This is an easy secure job? Tell that to my wife who silently worries that I might not come home.....this isn't a job, but a calling.

Firefighters aren't as needed? In my very short 5+ years I've been in more fires than I can remember and I work in a fairly average company, not top 10 for 10-75s.

The ratio was higher for 6019 because the economy was better? Please turn the calendar back.......THE ECONOMY WAS **** WHEN THEY HIRED THAT CLASS.

They are already doing many firehouse cuts (nice English...)? We have had ZERO firehouse closings..idiot.

Don't bother working out, it could be a while? How about work out to be ready if the call does come. How about work out because its just healthy.

Keep your baseless incorrect opinions to yourself. They're all but completely wrong anyway. To top it all off, your attitude sucks. I hope you NEVER get this job.....f***ing zero....

[Dannypanigale]

You're an idiot. This is an easy secure job? Tell that to my wife who silently worries that I might not come home.....this isn't a job, but a calling.

Firefighters aren't as needed? In my very short 5+ years I've been in more fires than I can remember and I work in a fairly average company, not top 10 for 10-75s.

The ratio was higher for 6019 because the economy was better? Please turn the calendar back.......THE ECONOMY WAS **** WHEN THEY HIRED THAT CLASS.

They are already doing many firehouse cuts (nice English...)? We have had ZERO firehouse closings..idiot.

Don't bother working out, it could be a while? How about work out to be ready if the call does come. How about work out because its just healthy.

Keep your baseless incorrect opinions to yourself. They're all but completely wrong anyway. To top it all off, your attitude sucks. I hope you NEVER get this job.....f***ing zero....

Thanks bro .. Didn't know how to put him on his place bc I don't have have fact ... But you sure do !!! Thumbs up !!!!

[kocor321]

For all you guys with list numbers less than what you had hoped for; if you still have the heart, go work for another department. Search or move... there are fires for you guys to fight. Don't be discouraged; a test will come out again sooner or later.

[vekdoggs75]

Na no way...I dont believe such a good guy would do this.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/l...hkOqU6isUVmIkL

[HopefulFF]

Na no way...I dont believe such a good guy would do this.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/l...hkOqU6isUVmIkL

simple explanation, that drug test is "unnecessarily difficult", and therefore, racist.

[vekdoggs75]

simple explanation, that drug test is "unnecessarily difficult", and therefore, racist.

You didn't know drug testing was racist?

[snoozer1989]

Some people better hope it is just a urinalysis test rather than a hair follicle test. I remember one kid came in to take his drug test for the union a couple years back. He was completely shaved from head to toe...the director of the apprenticeship program looked at him and said "Well you're out of the program. See you later."

[River6019]

I'm mid 2000's and I'm worried about being called. For a number as high as yours I would be really worried and looking for an alternative job.

We have many things going against us. First the bad enconomy. Many people will go out of their way to make sure they get this job if offered. People know that working for the government is the way to go and the FDNY is a very easy secure job.

I already know someone who is above me in list number and he is going to take the position, and somebody in the 5000's who will take the position and are going to be working very hard. Nobody on the list is like, I got something better I will not take it. Expect the people to be extra motivated this time. Especially for the fact that they know how many years it took to get hired on this job and how difficult it is now. Plus they probably have no job offer elsewhere.

The 6019 test had about a 1:3 ratio of people who took the job, that was when the ecnomy was good and people had work and opportunities. Expect much less for this test. Probably a 1:2 ratio or possibly lower.

They estimate 600 per year hired. Well, then with a 1:2 ratio, that will be 4800 people they will contact from the list. 1:4 ratio is just rediculous as some people mentioned here. Even with a 1:3 ratio, they will get to list number 7200. But test 6019 had a 1:3 ratio, this ratio will be much smaller because the economy is so much worse.

We have to deal with the promo EMT guys and the lawsuit candidates who get priority hiring.

Expect academy class cuts like someone here has mentioned. I remember hearing about them cutting classes in the past. Also expect fire department closings. Remember, with all the safety codes today, in my opinion firemen are not nearly as needed as years ago. They already are doing many fire house closings and cuts. Expect this to get worse as NYS runs out of money.

I would say they will probably not get down as low as your list number. If they do it will be 3 or 4 years, towards the very end of the test if you are lucky.

I know people will disagree but this is my thinking. With my mid 2000's list number I am very very worried if I will be called.

I would not worry about training yet. Your not going to be called until 3 or 4 years, if your lucky to be called at all, with your list number so why do all that hard training.

Dude, aside from you having a pretty bad all around attitude about this. Your information and especially your ratio figures are WAY off. You clearly don't know what you are talking about so don't give "advice" like you do.

[mrjon]

The people that received credit for residency (R next to their name).. do you have to send anything in to prove that you are a resident? Or do you just wait until they ask you?

[pdtofd2000]

You're an idiot. This is an easy secure job? Tell that to my wife who silently worries that I might not come home.....this isn't a job, but a calling.

Firefighters aren't as needed? In my very short 5+ years I've been in more fires than I can remember and I work in a fairly average company, not top 10 for 10-75s.

The ratio was higher for 6019 because the economy was better? Please turn the calendar back.......THE ECONOMY WAS **** WHEN THEY HIRED THAT CLASS.

They are already doing many firehouse cuts (nice English...)? We have had ZERO firehouse closings..idiot.

Don't bother working out, it could be a while? How about work out to be ready if the call does come. How about work out because its just healthy.

Keep your baseless incorrect opinions to yourself. They're all but completely wrong anyway. To top it all off, your attitude sucks. I hope you NEVER get this job.....f***ing zero....

Nicely put, thank you... this guy must not know anything about fd for him to say all those things... lol just the fact that he tells people not to bother training that rediculous ... and i guess he forgot its a city union job from which its imposible to get laid off unless there is a crissis of some sort but then every one in the state and city would lose thier jobs

[FDNYPD]

Nicely put, thank you... this guy must not know anything about fd for him to say all those things... lol just the fact that he tells people not to bother training that rediculous ... and i guess he forgot its a city union job from which its imposible to get laid off unless there is a crissis of some sort but then every one in the state and city would lose thier jobs

This SirEd dude succeeds (or what he thinks is succeeding) by discouraging everyone else. I understand we're all each other's competition until that day we're marching in formation at the Rock but discouraging people is not a way to get there. Hard work and besting the guy next to you is how you compete.

[FDNYPD]

Hey, members. A little request for all
This is a little something we do over on the PD fourms: Can we all update our signatures to include our partial list numbers? It really helps your brothers when calls start going out.

To update your signature, look at your "welcome bar" > click "notifications" > on the left column you'll see "Edit Signature."

From there, enter your information (keep it partial) and save. It should pop up with your next post.

[FdnytolifeE293]

Has anyone received anything in the mail yet?

[Doubler33]

Has anyone received anything in the mail yet?

I recieved a call yesterday, becuase i had wrote something wrong on my address, so i assume they are in the process of sending the maiilings.

[TomFromQueens]

I think on joinfdny's facebook or a memo for the FDNY said said scores would be sent out in a couple of weeks.

[zachryw2001]

I think on joinfdny's facebook or a memo for the FDNY said said scores would be sent out in a couple of weeks.

Just talked to them and they said mid to late October.

[Manhattan Medic]

Na no way...I dont believe such a good guy would do this.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/l...hkOqU6isUVmIkL

Stop feeding into the controversy. It's stupid to smoke pot if OTJ because the department has a zero tolerance policy combined with randomized testing, HOWEVER, I think you're delusional if you actually think pot is a more insidious drug than alcohol.

snoozer1989: It is urinalysis. I don't know what they hit besides the obvious big ones.

mrjon: Anyone that checked off "resident" during the testing was given credit. When they are called to begin the process they will have to provide the supporting documentation to candidate investigations. I can only assume that if they do not have said documents their score will be adjusted and they will be sent packing.

[NycQ83]

http://meritmattersusa.blogspot.com/...-is-right.html



Thursday, October 11, 2012

Here’s Hoping Roger Clegg is Right!















In today’s New York Post, Roger Clegg (pictured above - the General Counsel for the Center for Equal Opportunity) writes that the “Fisher Case” (Fisher v. University of Texas) may sound “the death knell for affirmative action,” and given that today’s affirmative action amounts primarily to naked racial preferences and segregated standards, that would be a VERY GOOD thing. (SEE: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...zyUwiD35a9bNBP)

Mr. Clegg notes that with the 2003 Grutter v. Bollinger decision, the court rejected most justifications for race/gender preferences, though it preserved one narrow justification them – in maintaining ethnic diversity.

Roger Clegg writes, “In the current case, the high court could rule on the simple question of whether UT’s discrimination falls within the bounds set by Grutter — or use the case to reconsider Grutter’s holding that the “educational benefits” of student body “diversity” are so “compelling” that they justify racial and ethnic discrimination.

Indeed, Justice Sonia Sotomayor yesterday accused Abigail Fisher’s lawyers of wanting to “gut” Grutter. Well, they should: The Grutter majority relied on social-science findings —findings that a growing mountain of empirical data indicates were wrong.”

THAT, of course, is the question – WILL the current court see that the harm caused by the discrimination (segregated standards) of preferences outweighs any and all diversity concerns. If it does, then “Fisher” will be as momentous as the 1978 Bakke Decision that began the roll back on naked preferences and segregated standards.

It all seems to come to one enigmatic vote, as so many of the court’s decisions in recent years has, that of Anthony Kennedy. While Justice Kennedy DOES seem skeptical of the University of Texas’ defense, court watchers are putting an awful lot of eggs in one basket, in projecting a Kennedy vote against preferences. Justice Kennedy has been notoriously hard to read and given the recent “Roberts Decision” upholding the foundations of “Obama-Care” (the ACA), it’s hard to read this court at all.

Roger Clegg certainly has the primary question right, “Here’s the basic question: Just what do we expect African-American and Latino students to say to white and Asian-American students that will provide the latter with such compelling educational benefits that racial discrimination is justified to make these conversations more likely?”

Still, while “disparate impact” was codified into law with the 1971 “Griggs Decision” (Griggs vs Duke Power & Light), but like ALL such Decisions, the central content is subject to legislative alteration, that is, the Legislative Branch can address that issue and “clarify” (set the parameters) of use and that’s something that Congress has been remiss in this issue over, since 1971.

A legislative redress, that would define and rein in the abuses of disparate impact would be the most permanent means of dealing with this issue and with a majority Republican Congress such a legislative fix should be able to be worked out.

Let’s hope that the “Fisher case” goes the way Roger Clegg predicts, as the FDNY case may eventually give that court the means to address disparate impact on the judicial level for generations to come.

JMK