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    How many bank statements from that time period do you need for the residency? I have like two from December 2010/Jan. 2011 in my name, and then one from December from my mother (with my name on it as well) who was my legal guardian at the time. Do I need one from every month?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mocon337 View Post
    How many bank statements from that time period do you need for the residency? I have like two from December 2010/Jan. 2011 in my name, and then one from December from my mother (with my name on it as well) who was my legal guardian at the time. Do I need one from every month?
    Yes. You need statements from every month in the residency period. You should square that stuff away sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan Medic View Post
    Yes. You need statements from every month in the residency period. You should square that stuff away sooner rather than later.
    What if I was under 21 at the time? Would something else be sufficient? Like notarized letter, HS transcript AND W-2 for those two years? Not that I haven't checked the NOE, just curious if anyone is in a similar boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mocon337 View Post
    What if I was under 21 at the time? Would something else be sufficient? Like notarized letter, HS transcript AND W-2 for those two years? Not that I haven't checked the NOE, just curious if anyone is in a similar boat.
    I don't know. Didn't have to prove residency for that period, just my current residence, which I have ample proof of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyD0pe View Post
    Does anyone know if a cured sacroiliac joint dysfunction can disqualify you? Or has anyone passed a medical with this on their medical history? Its a lower back pain that may be caused do to lifting with poor form such as dead lifts and squats. I would appreciate the response. Thanks !
    To me, that sounds a whole lot like one of those injuries that never happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycthirteen View Post
    To me, that sounds a whole lot like one of those injuries that never happened.
    So if he gets on the job and you know that thing flares up and you know he might not be able to make it out in time, you know, with another man, you know that might not be a good thing you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ_Reverse View Post
    So if he gets on the job and you know that thing flares up and you know he might not be able to make it out in time, you know, with another man, you know that might not be a good thing you know.
    I have no clue what you are talking about. I'm not positive you're actually speaking english - you know?
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    A bit off topic but I figured this would be the place to ask: Does anyone have any insight on the process of transferring from PD to FD (perhaps some OTJ that made the jump after PD closed the "keep-your-current-pay-rate" window)? In particular, if one is on a promotion list for PD and is promoted before leaving for FD, can they be bumped to bottom pay of an entry level rank on another uniformed department? (I've heard numerous rumors - one being that if you passed a civil service promotion exam on a uniformed department, you are automatically transferred to top pay of the entry level rank should you transfer to another uniformed department.) Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYPDtoFD View Post
    A bit off topic but I figured this would be the place to ask: Does anyone have any insight on the process of transferring from PD to FD (perhaps some OTJ that made the jump after PD closed the "keep-your-current-pay-rate" window)? In particular, if one is on a promotion list for PD and is promoted before leaving for FD, can they be bumped to bottom pay of an entry level rank on another uniformed department? (I've heard numerous rumors - one being that if you passed a civil service promotion exam on a uniformed department, you are automatically transferred to top pay of the entry level rank should you transfer to another uniformed department.) Thanks!
    As far as I know if you take the FF position you are starting pay and all regardless of your status on PD. The city canned that when so many officers were leaving for FD. I was just offered a spot in the January nypd class, I deferred until July. Its nice to have options but fire is my dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigempty View Post
    As far as I know if you take the FF position you are starting pay and all regardless of your status on PD. The city canned that when so many officers were leaving for FD. I was just offered a spot in the January nypd class, I deferred until July. Its nice to have options but fire is my dream.
    I was in a very similar situation. I was set for the January NYPD class then my investigator called me this week to say the exam i took wouldn't get in till summer. Odd because the chief of candidate processing literally told us at our medical we'd 100% be in the January class haha. I wasn't even slightly surprised, you know the city.

    Basically when you go from NYPD to FDNY (never heard of anyone going the other way, haha) your salary gets reset to base pay but your time on gets transferred so you are that closer to retirement. That's mainly why I was doing it, it would've been a big pay cut for me but its a great back up plan and gets the pension rolling. But now that I know NYPD wont call till summer and I could potentially be getting called by FDNY in the next year its just not worth it.

    But like you say FDNY is the true dream. And I am slightly relieved I wouldn't have to spend 10 months straight in academies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigempty View Post
    ...regardless of your status on PD.
    Quote Originally Posted by River6019 View Post
    ...your salary gets reset to base pay but your time on gets transferred so you are that closer to retirement.
    Thanks for the reply fellas. Let me add a qualifier to my question: My status on PD was achieved via passing a civil service promotional exam and so I've heard (but cannot confirm as NYS Civil Service Law is incredibly vague) that leaving PD for another uniformed force entitles me to be placed at the top pay grade of that agency's entry-level title.

    What I'm really looking for is an expert... either in Civil Service Law or someone who has already gone through the process (PD to FD after 2006)... I know you're out there lurking

    Thanks and good luck all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYPDtoFD View Post
    Thanks for the reply fellas. Let me add a qualifier to my question: My status on PD was achieved via passing a civil service promotional exam and so I've heard (but cannot confirm as NYS Civil Service Law is incredibly vague) that leaving PD for another uniformed force entitles me to be placed at the top pay grade of that agency's entry-level title.

    What I'm really looking for is an expert... either in Civil Service Law or someone who has already gone through the process (PD to FD after 2006)... I know you're out there lurking

    Thanks and good luck all!
    Maybe a call to DCAS? Or perhaps a call to someone in the PD? Or do you know anyone OTJ that could call someone in the FD to ask? This is definitely something I would want a concrete answer to from the department. Preferably in writing in case anyone tries to jerk you around when you do make the switch over!

    The Chief might also have some ads for lawyers specializing in civil service matters, but they would probably charge you for the consultation so I would leave that as the last resort.

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    My two cents:


    Class Class List (E=EMS List) Cumulative F/Fs
    No. Date Numbers out of Academy

    #1 01/14/13 E001 E825 0300

    #2 06/03/13 E826 E870 and 0001 0781 0600

    #3 10/21/13 0782 1607 0900

    #4 03/10/14 1608 2433 1200

    #5 07/28/14 2434 3257 1500

    #6 12/15/14 3258 4083 1800

    #7 05/04/15 4084 4909 2100

    #8 09/21/15 4910 5735 2400

    #9 02/08/16 5736 6561 2700

    #10 06/27/16 6562 7387 3000

    #11 11/14/16 7388 8213 3300

    (There are five columns. I can't get them to come out good on here. One is the Class #. Two is the estimated Class start date. Three and four are the estimated list numbers (from-to). The last column is the Cumulative # of F/Fs out of the Academy.)


    Assumptions:

    The CID goes through an average of 2-3 (2.5) list numbers/names to get 1 candidate into the Academy

    The Academy starts with 330 candidates in a Class to graduate 300 Firefighters in 18 weeks (10% drop-out rate)

    330 X 2.5 = 825 list numbers per class

    The first Class is scheduled for January 14, 2013 and a class every 20 weeks after that.

    The school is 18 weeks. The Academy takes the next two weeks for Instructor vacations and other logistics to get ready for the next class

    We’ll need 3300 F/Fs over the next four years


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    That actually looks bad for me, makes it look like I will be cutting it pretty close.
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    Interesting projection. I will say that I believe 2.5 candidates for every 1 hire is a little low. I believe for the only class off of 6019 they went through almost 900 to get 225 hires. I think we are looking at more like 3.5 or 4 to 1 as a ratio.

    Also something else to consider - at least when it comes to hiring off PD lists, it usually takes them more candidates to get the same amount of hires as you get further down the list. What I mean is that, the first class may be 1 hire in every 4 candidates, but in 2 years it may be more like 1 candidate in every 5 hires. Reasons for this include people moving, losing interest, getting other jobs, etc.

    These are just my hypotheses based on the class off 6019 and experience seeing how PDs hire off large lists like these. We will probably drive ourselves crazy trying to predict what will happen! Best move is to keep your head down and keep working out - let the chips fall where they may as you prepare and hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycthirteen View Post
    I have no clue what you are talking about. I'm not positive you're actually speaking english - you know?
    Just saying be honest really, I was trying to humor it but if that thing bites him in the butt and gets someone else killed then lying really didn't help him or the department. I also think posting it on an open forum isn't a smart idea either especially if you are trying to hide something, but hey what do you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FdnytolifeE293 View Post
    My two cents:


    Class Class List (E=EMS List) Cumulative F/Fs
    No. Date Numbers out of Academy

    #1 01/14/13 E001 E825 0300

    #2 06/03/13 E826 E870 and 0001 0781 0600

    #3 10/21/13 0782 1607 0900

    #4 03/10/14 1608 2433 1200

    #5 07/28/14 2434 3257 1500

    #6 12/15/14 3258 4083 1800

    #7 05/04/15 4084 4909 2100

    #8 09/21/15 4910 5735 2400

    #9 02/08/16 5736 6561 2700

    #10 06/27/16 6562 7387 3000

    #11 11/14/16 7388 8213 3300

    (There are five columns. I can't get them to come out good on here. One is the Class #. Two is the estimated Class start date. Three and four are the estimated list numbers (from-to). The last column is the Cumulative # of F/Fs out of the Academy.)


    Assumptions:

    The CID goes through an average of 2-3 (2.5) list numbers/names to get 1 candidate into the Academy

    The Academy starts with 330 candidates in a Class to graduate 300 Firefighters in 18 weeks (10% drop-out rate)

    330 X 2.5 = 825 list numbers per class

    The first Class is scheduled for January 14, 2013 and a class every 20 weeks after that.

    The school is 18 weeks. The Academy takes the next two weeks for Instructor vacations and other logistics to get ready for the next class

    We’ll need 3300 F/Fs over the next four years


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    These estimations contradict so much information that was written in the past 100 or so pages:

    1. The estimation show that only the first 825 ems promos were processed. How is that possible if they are barely able to make a full 300 class and are actually thinking about getting OC guys into the first class?

    2. 3300 FF? the city already stated they are hiring 2400. Why would anyone estimate a 50% increase from what the city already stated?

    3. The academy is 20 weeks, not 18.

    4. It has been mentioned multiple times that the upcoming class starts the academy on the week that the previous class is wrapping up. I dont know where they got this idea of a 2 weeks vacation for the instructors.

    5. Hiring at a 1 for 2.5 rate? Thats ridiculous. They cant even get a 1 for 3 rate on the promo list, how are they going to get those figures on the OC list? Lets add in the fact that so many folks were pretty much forced to take this exam and have no interest in FF. I think a rate closer to 1 in every 4.5 is more reasonable.

    6. What about the priority hires? What about the ems guys who are waiting for their 2 years of service to come up?

    Once again there are probably so many more errors with this post. But anyone of the above 6 is enough to see that this info is false. Theres my fdny rant for the day lol.
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    Trying to calculate when/how many/how big a class will be is a waste of time. I know you can't help it, cause I did the same thing waiting to get on with PD. But what you think or even what the city says will happen, never actually does.

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    knicksh2o covered most of the problems I have with it. All 870 promotional candidates are being processed right now. Because of the 2 year requirement it's hard to say whether or not the promotional list will be a good reflection of the ratio for the OC. The city also indicated plans to do 8 classes of 300, not a new class as soon as the last one is finished. I also imagine the ratio will be higher, and will slowly increase as time passes.

    Still, it's a decent-ish overview of how things could go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knicksh2o View Post

    2. 3300 FF? the city already stated they are hiring 2400. Why would anyone estimate a 50% increase from what the city already stated?
    a lot of people on the job think there going to hire well over 2400 they haven't hired in 5 years and they lose 40-50 guys a month due to retirement
    50 guys x 12 months x 4 = 2400
    they would still be down 650+ guys and still paying crazy OT
    also the OC list dosnt start till they hire the first OC guy so if they hire 300 emts they get a free class in

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    23 years old in 2007 took exam 6019. Paid $400 for a preparatory class for the fire fighter exam I scored we'll with a 97. My list number was 3696. My dream of becoming a firefighter was getting closer. The Vulcan lawsuit has shattered my dream along with thousands of others. We are in 2012 5 yrs have gone by and I'm 28 years old now. I took exam 2000 and scored a 92 which gave me a list number 20,xxx. I'm furious. I've been robbed and cheated. I am currently in FDNY EMS academy. If and when a promotional exam comes out within the next 2 years I will be 30 years old. FDNY has an age cut off of 29 to be eligible to sit down and take the exam. Yes they raised the age if you were on 6019 to 36 years old to take exam 2000 but that didn't apply to me. I was still robbed of an extension. I am fighting for an age extension. Age is just a number. FDNY is made up of the greatest most qualified individuals. Hwhat should I do? It is my dream to be a firefighter. I will not let my age disqualify me due to a lawsuit and hiring freeze of 5 years????

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    Also keep in mind that many EMS guys took both exams. Once they get in on 2500 they're skipped over on 2000. Am I correct on that?
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    And I know many a guy in the top 3000#s who think they're automatically in. They smoke frequently and workout rarely. There are many guys like this on the OC, so don't be so generous with your ratios for 2000. Guys with higher #s on the cusp def shouldn't lose hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mocon337 View Post
    Also keep in mind that many EMS guys took both exams. Once they get in on 2500 they're skipped over on 2000. Am I correct on that?
    There is probaly less then 75 of those people. I think the biggest thing that is going to bump people out is the residency require to get the 5 points
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