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    MM mentioned he got his package on August 30th, so just about 19 weeks before his first day.

    If they want to hire roughly 600 FFs per year and put in classes of 300 then there will always be months where they aren't using the academy for probie school, unless they do classes of 150 for some reason.

    Of course I hope I'm wrong. I guess we'll see.
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    I honestly believe that the city and FDNY would like to crank out class after class ASAP but there are two thing holding them up.

    1) The priority hire clowns need to have their scores finalized and I'm sure their own protest sessions before the city can know how they sort in with the OC list.

    2) Also, the city will likely wait for its appeal in the second circuit court before they send any notices (they do not want to even start to process these jerks if they don't have to). Unless, you hear them ask for a stay on the hiring order like they did for the monitor's payments till the 2nd CC rules. Which will I'm sure would be rejected by Garauifs anyway.

    After that we'll probably start getting mail pretty quickly. So lets just hope the appeals court rules soon and rules correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stang0480 View Post
    As someone who has a # in the 79xx's, I'm just glad list# 2000 hasn't been established yet and the clock hasn't started counting down. I'm on the edge of the hiring range and it's gonna be close so the longer this list is eligible for hire the more time that goes by the more guys that will move on to something else or lose interest. Just trying to look at the positives at this point!
    I'm not so sure if the clock hasn't started already. DCAS gives test every four years. Unless the test-life is expanded. WE applied for test in 2011, so next application would be 2015. It's 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_smith1 View Post
    I'm not so sure if the clock hasn't started already. DCAS gives test every four years. Unless the test-life is expanded. WE applied for test in 2011, so next application would be 2015. It's 2013.
    The clock doesn't start until the list is established. Our list was published, but not established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBorn View Post
    Because that part was made to be a gimme for people who lack reading and listening skills.
    Obviously some people did very well on all the sections and it didn't affect them either way
    The last part was designed to make the cognitive and reading comp sections worth less(watered down) to help those who lack necessary skills. We all know who they were trying to screw and who they were trying to give points away to, its unconstitutional and thats all I will say about it.

    They could change every question on the last part and I could go in and score a 100 on it now just answering strongly agree or disagree. Thats not a test, its bull****. One could't realistically say that 100% about the first few sections and be sure, because they are real questions based on information, easy or not.
    I went into the last part believing there would be disqualifies as did others, it was a trick and thats not what a test should be about.
    This test is the future of the fire service/civil service in general. This is due to the society we live in. I've taken 4 fire dept tests including this 1, and EVERY single one, the majority was a personality-type test ( Strongly agree, agree, indifferent, etc) I'm talking big cities, Philly, FDNY, small cities, Allentown Pa, and large countys down south, Loudoun cty FR.

    Not to mention, the majority of employers now have a personality assessment as part of the application process..Lowes, etc.

    The only civil service, true civil service test that I took was for PA corrections officer..scored the same on that as I scored on this, so I'm ok with it.

    Was this test a gimme? Honestly, yes. I looked at the study guide, went in, took the test, and that was that. The real test is not the written test..but the process itself, the CPAT and the academy. You can sugarcoat a test and its scores however you want, but you can't sugarcoat the job. The reality of the job, the reality of what can happen on the job, the hard work, and the dedication. The cream does rise to the top, it might just take a little bit longer.

    and I'm middle of the road. I'm 27 right now, by the time my number gets called I will be close to 30. I want to settle down and have kids. I will prove myself, god willing if I make it there, in the academy, and god willing to the guys wherever my assignment is. I will work hard, study hard, and go the extra mile for anyone. I hope that doesn't come off as selfish or whatnot..but the future of fire service/civil service testing is here. Its a lottery now, hopefully you will get lucky and get a good number, the rest is up to you. Will you take your shot and prove yourself?

    Arguing about this is about as useful as arguing about why we don't wear 3/4 boots, or why we can't ride the tailboard anymore. it is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john_smith1 View Post
    I'm not so sure if the clock hasn't started already. DCAS gives test every four years. Unless the test-life is expanded. WE applied for test in 2011, so next application would be 2015. It's 2013.
    It took about 6 months to a year for 6019 to become official, correct me if I'm wrong. They can test whenever they want, The list is good for 4 years, the commissioner stated 2400 or so people will be hired from this list. 2 classes a year for the next 4 years=2400 people. Expected to reach 8000 or so on the list. That is from the mouth of the man. So that is what I am taking it as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    This test is the future of the fire service/civil service in general. This is due to the society we live in. I've taken 4 fire dept tests including this 1, and EVERY single one, the majority was a personality-type test ( Strongly agree, agree, indifferent, etc) I'm talking big cities, Philly, FDNY, small cities, Allentown Pa, and large countys down south, Loudoun cty FR.

    Not to mention, the majority of employers now have a personality assessment as part of the application process..Lowes, etc.

    The only civil service, true civil service test that I took was for PA corrections officer..scored the same on that as I scored on this, so I'm ok with it.

    Was this test a gimme? Honestly, yes. I looked at the study guide, went in, took the test, and that was that. The real test is not the written test..but the process itself, the CPAT and the academy. You can sugarcoat a test and its scores however you want, but you can't sugarcoat the job. The reality of the job, the reality of what can happen on the job, the hard work, and the dedication. The cream does rise to the top, it might just take a little bit longer.

    and I'm middle of the road. I'm 27 right now, by the time my number gets called I will be close to 30. I want to settle down and have kids. I will prove myself, god willing if I make it there, in the academy, and god willing to the guys wherever my assignment is. I will work hard, study hard, and go the extra mile for anyone. I hope that doesn't come off as selfish or whatnot..but the future of fire service/civil service testing is here. Its a lottery now, hopefully you will get lucky and get a good number, the rest is up to you. Will you take your shot and prove yourself?

    Arguing about this is about as useful as arguing about why we don't wear 3/4 boots, or why we can't ride the tailboard anymore. it is what it is.
    Sadly it does little to prove how it was scored, the breakdown of who took what, how the tribunal of the protest session reached their answers, and how the test was algorythmically put together. The cream won't rise to the top if it's a lottery system because in a lottery system it is luck not merit that determines the process. Really in a lottery system it is purely statistical meaning if you throw enough shtick at the wall, enough will stick to cover most of the open patches. Also nearly all those departments that you mentioned are trying to recruit minorities with little to no avail, and have for years relied on these tests which have done little to help the turnover rates at some of them. You also have the bonus of being a veteran meaning that due to this you are a priority for nearly all departments as you have that added to your resume and those departments can be eligible for federal grant money due to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    It took about 6 months to a year for 6019 to become official, correct me if I'm wrong. They can test whenever they want, The list is good for 4 years, the commissioner stated 2400 or so people will be hired from this list. 2 classes a year for the next 4 years=2400 people. Expected to reach 8000 or so on the list. That is from the mouth of the man. So that is what I am taking it as.
    Wouldn't even trust that guy, said he knew how the test was scored only to have his third in command say we don't know how we reached the score.

    Also if I had the list number 1 I'd still be doing this because the FDNY exam was for a long time the only true competitive exam. People who are saying this is the future of testing are the same are again just laying down and saying I'm ok with this. You will have a chance to prove yourself at the academy but those around you who were lucky to win the lottery could and might just be you're demise.

    People can't understand that this is more than the lottery this is you're life and that if you have underqualified or underinterested people, who are babied into this process, who have few interests in firefighting outside the benefits, are the same reasons that the cream won't and can't rise to the top because it will not be allowed to.

    Plus if all of you low number guys think you have the best shot anything can happen. See Minervas' post but until you are in the academy nothing is a guarentee and even then that could be taken away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    It took about 6 months to a year for 6019 to become official, correct me if I'm wrong. They can test whenever they want, The list is good for 4 years, the commissioner stated 2400 or so people will be hired from this list. 2 classes a year for the next 4 years=2400 people. Expected to reach 8000 or so on the list. That is from the mouth of the man. So that is what I am taking it as.
    I'm almost certain Griff is right. I don't remember where exactly I saw it but I looked into this specifically not that long ago - the list is not yet "established" and won't be until they start hiring from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycthirteen View Post
    I'm almost certain Griff is right. I don't remember where exactly I saw it but I looked into this specifically not that long ago - the list is not yet "established" and won't be until they start hiring from it.
    I hope so... I myself am on the borderline listwise, 78xx. So this means that the class AFTER this April will be the first to use the oc list 2000? So if they go by the " new exam" every four year rule, the next exam might be 2017?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by nick0525 View Post
    I hope so... I myself am on the borderline listwise, 78xx. So this means that the class AFTER this April will be the first to use the oc list 2000? So if they go by the " new exam" every four year rule, the next exam might be 2017?????
    Don't conflate the end of hiring from an established list with the city giving a new exam. They can continue to hire off of an established list even AFTER they give new exams (until a new list is established). So, for arguments sake, they can establish the list this year and it will be good until 2017, and they can still go ahead and give a new exam in 2016.
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    "Im not a good test taker!"
    "The personality portion is bull!"
    "The City and the Vulcans are f*****g me!"
    "I scored great on 6019, but I **** the bed on 2000!"
    "Knowing the inner workings of testing processes is my right!"

    A number of you on here have some nerve. The truth of the matter is, a lot of you were not as prepared as you thought you were.

    And as far as those who believe it is your duty to righteously combat all so called evil within DCAS and PSI, please save it. It is NOT your role to "fix" this system, despite what others may have you believe. Your role is to keep on preparing and successfully complete each round of the process that you encounter. Those who have prepared thus far can do without your meddling. Jesus, some of you are no worse than those last clowns who sued and these 293 other hair bags.

    If you could not find a way to score well enough on that exam to at least have a shot of getting the call, then you are probably just smart enough not to s**t your own pants.
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    I don't completely agree with the last part of the test nor am I trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but I think exam 2000 was pretty easy and very well put together as far as testing one's math, reading, etc, skills. I am a minority and did not feel like exam 2000 discriminated me in any type of way.

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    I wouldn't say the test was easy. I mean realistically I only scored a 95. If I wasn't a vet and resident there is no way I would fall within the hiring range. I think that's something we need to remember there were not many perfect scores and without those points the list would probly be completely different. My point is plenty of these people wrote a better test and won't be hired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john_smith1 View Post
    I'm not so sure if the clock hasn't started already.
    I haven't been able to get to the bottom of this either. See my post below from a few pages back:

    I just called the DCAS automated line to see if they would give any more info than this. Unfortunately it doesn't. It states the list was made public on October 3rd just like The Chief. The amount of eligibles has actually gone up to 40,906 but my list # hasn't changed. Either way, no mention of when the list expires. When I check for other NYC lists I'm on, they all state the same thing with the "made public on" language and none of them mention list was "established on." Perhaps someone can call DCAS during normal biz hours to inquire?
    I need to remember to call the next weekday I have off.

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    8 days in. 8 dropped probies. Hope you guys in the top 500 are getting ready, I heard that giving back your gear is pretty embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukez View Post
    8 days in. 8 dropped probies. Hope you guys in the top 500 are getting ready, I heard that giving back your gear is pretty embarrassing.
    Embarrassing, would be getting on the wrong subway train. What you're describing is a life changing disaster haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladders 4 View Post
    "Im not a good test taker!"
    "The personality portion is bull!"
    "The City and the Vulcans are f*****g me!"
    "I scored great on 6019, but I **** the bed on 2000!"I
    "Knowing the inner workings of testing processes is my right!"

    A number of you on here have some nerve. The truth of the matter is, a lot of you were not as prepared as you thought you were.

    And as far as those who believe it is your duty to righteously combat all so called evil within DCAS and PSI, please save it. It is NOT your role to "fix" this system, despite what others may have you believe. Your role is to keep on preparing and successfully complete each rou
    nd of the process that you encounter. Those who have prepared thus far can do without your meddling. Jesus, some of you are no worse than those last clowns who sued and these 293 other hair bags.

    If you could not find a way to score well enough on that exam to at least have a shot of getting the call, then you are probably just smart enough not to s**t your own pants.
    Lol. The test was so easy. I couldn't agree more. And people comparing it to a lottery that's crazy, it was more like an easy open book test, as long as you prepared you were fine

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    My friend just recevie his score, He is part of the lawsuit and stated to me that out of 756 people 613 people made it on the list of priority hire.

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    court approves the list of priority hire claimants, two (2) of every five (5) individuals that the City hires for the entry-level firefighter position shall be black Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants. The City shall continue to hire at this 2:5 ratio until it has hired one hundred eighty-six (186) black Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants or until the group of black Claimants on the approved list has been exhausted, whichever occurs first.
    Similarly, after the court approves the list of priority hire claimants, one (1) of every five (5) individuals that the City hires for the entry-level firefighter position shall be Hispanic Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants. The City shall continue to hire at this 1:5 ratio until it has hired one hundred seven (107) Hispanic Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants or until the group of Hispanic Claimants on the approved list has been exhausted, whichever occurs first.
    In the event that there are more than 186 black and 107 Hispanic individuals eligible for priority hiring relief, the City may determine the order in which it processes eligible claimants to determine whether they are currently qualified to be appointed as entry-level firefighters, provided that the City’s processing is not discriminatory, retaliatory, or otherwise unlawful, and enables it to meet the other requirements of this Order and other orders entered in this case. A Claimant is considered hired only when the Claimant begins his or her first day of paid employment as an entry-level firefighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whymetoo View Post
    My friend just recevie his score, He is part of the lawsuit and stated to me that out of 756 people 613 people made it on the list of priority hire.
    ...and hopefully he and those others get nothing! Shoulda tried harder 11+ hears ago! Pack of dead beats....

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    Actually he took the test just to see if he would pass it. He did 99, but he work for correction for 8 years. He don't what the fdny job, he took the $189,000 they gave him and is moving on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whymetoo View Post
    In the event that there are more than 186 black and 107 Hispanic individuals eligible for priority hiring relief, the City may determine the order in which it processes eligible claimants to determine whether they are currently qualified to be appointed as entry-level firefighters, provided that the City’s processing is not discriminatory, retaliatory, or otherwise unlawful, and enables it to meet the other requirements of this Order and other orders entered in this case. A Claimant is considered hired only when the Claimant begins his or her first day of paid employment as an entry-level firefighter.
    Funny, they address what happens if they have more than necessary, but don't address what happens if they can't get 293 hires off this list. 1 in 3 out of 613 is only 204. Hopefully we never have to cross this bridge and the number of priority hires is ZERO, but I wonder how the courts will handle it if they can't get to 293.

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    From what he told me a lot of those guys don't want the job, even when he took the test he said a lot of those guys was out of shape, even if they do pass the test they would not pass the phys. And a class will be starting in late June early July as per his paper he receive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600 View Post
    ^^^^^ Prime example of pointing the finger, not the thumb.^^^^^
    What does that even mean?
    Do me a favor and ignore my posts. I don't value your opinion, you are a negative flip flopper as some one pointed out a page or two ago. Your opinion constantly changes to whatever benefits you or lends it self to a negative comment. More people on this forum should have the balls to call you out on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whymetoo View Post
    From what he told me a lot of those guys don't want the job, even when he took the test he said a lot of those guys was out of shape, even if they do pass the test they would not pass the phys. And a class will be starting in late June early July as per his paper he receive.
    Well, I think its pretty safe to assume this group will have closer to a 1:5 hiring ratio if not higher. Its traditionally 1:4 for OC. Here's hoping the second circuit court rules soon and they don't get any money or priority hiring.

    Thanks for the info BTW.
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