Don't be in that position........
Don't be in that position........
has anyone got any updates on what the news is with PHs? Are they entering the next class?
Almostthere, maybe you have the best insight.
Anyone who went to informational session today or who knows, how did you dress? business casual? and we don't need anything other than ourselves? correct.
Just curious if anyone know what happens if you get sick while your in proby school? I e from the flu,high fever, or bronchitis? Do they recycle you or do they flat out get rid of you because your a sicko?
Listen, the point is, you have to tough it out. After the academy and a few months of straight tours, you'll be doing 24's and that means 25+ hours at work, straight. 25+ because we show up an hour early for everything, right? Working 24s can rough you up, long nights of runs every hour on the hour will make you hate life the next day. Deal.....just deal.
I'm going through an academy now(much easier than fires) and had a stomach virus for 3 days. You just suck it up best you can. There's 40,xxx other people who want your spot.
Article from the chief with a little more info:
Appeals Court Halts Use of U.S. Monitor for Firefighter Test
Chief Leader - February 12, 2013
by RICHARD STEIER
A Federal appeals court’s decision to halt oversight by a court-appointed monitor of Firefighter hiring by the FDNY raised the possibility that the court will ultimately overturn parts of U.S. District Judge Nicholas Garaufis’s finding that three previous tests for the job discriminated against black and Latino candidates.
The ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has no immediate impact on hiring based on the exam for the job given last year, which was approved by Judge Garaufis after minority candidates passed it in close proportion to their application rates. If it affects any of the three exams covered by his discrimination finding, the most-likely candidate would be the 2007 test.
Tied to Results, Not Flaws
Unlike the exams given in 1999 and 2002, Judge Garaufis did not find specific faults with the testing material pertaining to either a cultural bias or its demanding of a higher education level than was required to perform the job. Rather, he found the 2007 test to be biased based on the concept of disparate impact. Although the percentage of minority candidates who passed that test closely paralleled the percentage who took it, the Vulcan Society of black firefighters had objected that too many of the black candidates who scored well enough to expect to be appointed were clumped toward the bottom of the likely hiring contingent. There was also a smaller percentage of them expected to be hired than that for Latino candidates.
City officials had appealed Judge Garaufis’s sweeping ruling—which added the 2007 test even though it was not part of the original discrimination complaint brought before him by the U.S. Justice Department earlier that year, after the Judge asserted that the FDNY had engaged in decades of illegal discrimination against minority firefighters. He was particularly harsh in his comments about the Bloomberg administration’s alleged failure to address the situation. The administration was further angered when Judge Garaufis refused to grant its request that the hiring monitor he appointed, Marc Cohen, itemize the bills he had submitted for $1.7 million in legal fees over the past year. Less than a month before the appeals-court ruling, city Corporation Counsel Michael A. Cardozo had renewed his request to Judge Garaufis to seek accountability from Mr. Cohen for the charges he had submitted.
Ordered Hiring Preference
To remedy past discrimination, Judge Garaufis had ordered that the city give hiring preference to up to 293 minority candidates who passed last year’s exam after competing on one or more of the previous tests. He also ordered damages of up to $128 million be paid to candidates who took the previous exams but did not score well enough to be appointed as Firefighters.
A top Law Department attorney, Georgia Pestana, was relatively restrained in reacting to the Court of Appeals ruling barring Mr. Cohen from exercising further authority until it issues a final decision on the city’s overall appeal of Judge Garaufis’s decision and order, saying, “We are gratified that the court granted our stay. This will enable [Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano] to exercise hiring discretion without the court monitor’s involvement.”
The first group of 320 new Firefighters appointed last month based on the 2012 exam were all employees of the Emergency Medical Service who because they are FDNY employees were able to take it as a promotion test.
An attorney for the Vulcans, Richard Levy, reflected the impact the temporary stay may portend when he told Newsday, “I felt a lot better a few minutes ago, before I read the Second Circuit order. It’s a disappointing decision.”
Fire Capt. Paul Washington, a former Vulcan Society president who has been active in the court battle, in a phone interview agreed the ruling wasn’t a good omen. “But the main thing we wanted from the legal action was a new test,” he said.
‘Hope It’s a Harbinger’
That ruling was hailed by Paul Mannix, a Deputy Fire Chief who as head of the anti-affirmative-action group Merit Matters has been a vocal critic of Judge Garaufis’s rulings.
“Needless to say, we’re happy,” he said in a Feb. 8 phone interview. “We’re hoping it’s a harbinger of things to come, and that it happens soon.”
The appeals court gave no indication as to how soon it will issue a final ruling on the city’s appeal.
Lol so it's still ambiguous about the PHs...
So the stay is STILL only on the court appointed hiring monitors correct?
"This will enable [Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano] to exercise hiring discretion without the court monitor’s involvement.”
This could mean something very good.
As long as all of this bullsh*t only affects the PH's then im fine.
If this bullsh*t starts to affect everyones elses chance of getting on, as in some sort of postponement\hiring delay, then im gonna have a serious problem.
Some of us just want to be firefighters and that is all. Some of us took the exam without expecting any BS along the way. Some of us fear a repeat of 6019 or at least something similar. Some of us cant wait til this nonsense is all over.
And some of us dont care what happens to everyone else, as long as the PH's dont get hired.
Nothing wrong with wishing the defeat of the PH's ruling while at the same time hoping that a new ruling will not affect YOUR future.
Side question for you and I don't mean to be contentious but, honestly, how will you feel going through the academy for over 4 months knowing that half the class doesn't deserve to be there and will be making twice your salary when you all graduate. Not the best way to foster brotherhood.
And I know we'll all just be ecstatic to be there trust me. But this is about fairness, the future of the dept, and giving the courts a chance to put this right.
As to how i would feel in the academy with others who do not deserve to be there?? With all other issues aside..Lets just say that i would feel much better being in the academy than i would feel being at home. If my moral compass was REALLY that great, then i would not even have taken the test.
I said that if my moral compass was REALLY that great, that i would not have even taken the exam.
My reason for saying that is becuz when i attended a tuturial session which was given by the Vulcans, they actually barred the white applicants frim attending. They made the whites literally stand outside and wait until all minorities had taken a seat.
Although im african american, this deeply disturbed me and i actually thought about not even taking the test, just to avoid having a hand in discriminaton. However, I WANT TO BE A FIREFIGHTER. And that trumps all other issues for me. So i took the test and passed. Now i want to get on the job.
I'm gonna say it again because im just looking at this whole thing logically.
It seems like everyone is looking for a direct quote that states there is a hold on PH hiring.
Like I said in previous post the monitor was put into place to over see all hiring. That includes the PH hires. I cannot see the city hiring one(1) PH unless they are being forced to.
My guess is the city had projected a stay on the second court ruling and that with the 730 OC and the rest of the promo guys there will be more than enough for a second class.
ANYONE WITH A BETTER GUESS OR WHO AGREES CHIME IN
Also to what Spiderneck said above. I cant see the city holding up the exam for any reason. The amount of money being lost every month to give the guys already on overtime is huge.
Plus im 31 yrs old lol...and getting older as the days go by.
Good luck with the process, I'm sure you'll be at the Rock and showing the youngsters whats up soon enough.
Time now is 1637. Im off to CPAT information session.
Hey guys quick question. Going to cpat orientation Saturday afternoon. After the military I went to school so have never been in the business world and don't really know what business casual is and don't wanna underdress. If anyone could post example is it like golf clothes like khakis and a collard shirt ? Or like a suite with no tie