We do need to know, but unfortunately that's not irrelevant information. PSI tests have been upheld in court, so if this is standard procedure for them that could pose a problem for us. Hopefully that's not the case though, I haven't looked that closely in to how PSI operates to say either way.
[QUOTE=DJ_Reverse;1354768]Irregardless if they do or don't, we need to know how the exam was
Its real simple.
Did you go to the protest session?
If you did you would have had all of the answers laid out in front of you, if you didn't, you should've.
The judge has already ruled on hiring off the test. Any protests will fall on deaf ears.
[QUOTE=DJ_Reverse;1354809]Problem is how they scored those said answers and more importantly racial breakdown of each exam question and each exam. PSI cases have been held up in court because few have challenged them on this scale and most of the time PSI itself has used smaller fire departments that put more emphasis on the individual phases where the likelihood of a potential hire is greater of being washed out. Don't kid yourself I took a PSI test for a private company once and not only was not grade given but not answer key or even E-Mail was sent explaining how they scored me based on other potential hires.
Yeah I saw his reply, in reality I along with many, many other candidates are not satisfied with the test itself and this goes across all lines. Women, minorities, and foreigners have a right to know the correct answers and the correct point breakdown of each question or their weights in test jargon.
DJ Reverse, hope you've got a nice bank roll for those legal fee's. Maybe fdsouthbxny will chip in.
I understand your skepticism, but all this info was laid out in a court doc, which you can purchase for a few bucks. Should be around September 25, 2012.
I too think the test was manipulated but not because PSI "fabricated" correct answers that really weren't correct because more minorities chose those answers. That is what you're implying, no?
The test was manipulated by the fact that you have thousands of people with the same score. Fair? Not really. So is life.
iam surprised noone on the OC list heard anything yet. my #is 2** and everyday my landlady brings in the mail...nothing. I think they must be waiting for the whole EMT list as well as the priority hires for the summer class.
They just put the first class into the academy in 4 years a week and a half ago. Im sure they are just getting their ducks in a row. Top 50 list #, still hoping and feeling confident for the last days in january/ real early february.
Sure you can disagree but I have to be honest and foward thinking and you have not answered my question on how they arrived at how each question was graded, the breakdown of who took each version of the test, how questions were weighted, and what was the key or algorythm used. If you're fearful due to this might be delaying you're process, then that I can understand but sadly we must do what is right for the entire department both candidates, probies, and senior men. This test screams manipulation on numerous levels and this test was put forth but a public entity, the City of New York. With that in mind I want to know the ins and outs of this test as a US citizen I am entitlted to it. Plus what scares me even more is that the test had 6 versions but every candidates I talked to only had taken 1-4; where did the other two come from? What was the scoring and weight used, how they get to whole numbers on a partial credit?
I also want to give you advice. I only know you from this board, but you're attitude to you're fellow candidates, the men on the job, and those ahead or behind you must change. Take this as free advice but if you want to be respected on the job, you must give respect first. You're IGM or I've Got Mine attitude will not be tolerated in any fire department let alone the FDNY and will cause more problems for you especially in a team first environment.
Best of luck.
PS You don't need to have legal fees just really good connections.
My advice to you is to do your own research instead of having others do it for you.
READ THE COURT DOCUMENTS! ALL OF THE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS ARE IN PRINT! DIRECTLY FROM THE SOURCE, PSI.
PS seems like you post on every thread on this board, and still can't get somebody to hire you. Makes ya wonder.
they should throw out the last part of the test. I doubt that part holds much legal weight. I bet if the last part was thrown out, lots of people( not all) at the top would be moved to the bottom because they had poor test taking skills and lying on the last part of the test greatly benefited them, as it was meant to.