Embarrassing, would be getting on the wrong subway train. What you're describing is a life changing disaster haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jukez
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Embarrassing, would be getting on the wrong subway train. What you're describing is a life changing disaster haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jukez
Lol. The test was so easy. I couldn't agree more. And people comparing it to a lottery that's crazy, it was more like an easy open book test, as long as you prepared you were fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Ladders 4
My friend just recevie his score, He is part of the lawsuit and stated to me that out of 756 people 613 people made it on the list of priority hire.
court approves the list of priority hire claimants, two (2) of every five (5) individuals that the City hires for the entry-level firefighter position shall be black Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants. The City shall continue to hire at this 2:5 ratio until it has hired one hundred eighty-six (186) black Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants or until the group of black Claimants on the approved list has been exhausted, whichever occurs first.
Similarly, after the court approves the list of priority hire claimants, one (1) of every five (5) individuals that the City hires for the entry-level firefighter position shall be Hispanic Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants. The City shall continue to hire at this 1:5 ratio until it has hired one hundred seven (107) Hispanic Claimants from the approved list of priority hire claimants or until the group of Hispanic Claimants on the approved list has been exhausted, whichever occurs first.
In the event that there are more than 186 black and 107 Hispanic individuals eligible for priority hiring relief, the City may determine the order in which it processes eligible claimants to determine whether they are currently qualified to be appointed as entry-level firefighters, provided that the City’s processing is not discriminatory, retaliatory, or otherwise unlawful, and enables it to meet the other requirements of this Order and other orders entered in this case. A Claimant is considered hired only when the Claimant begins his or her first day of paid employment as an entry-level firefighter.
...and hopefully he and those others get nothing! Shoulda tried harder 11+ hears ago! Pack of dead beats....Quote:
Originally Posted by Whymetoo
Actually he took the test just to see if he would pass it. He did 99, but he work for correction for 8 years. He don't what the fdny job, he took the $189,000 they gave him and is moving on.
Funny, they address what happens if they have more than necessary, but don't address what happens if they can't get 293 hires off this list. 1 in 3 out of 613 is only 204. Hopefully we never have to cross this bridge and the number of priority hires is ZERO, but I wonder how the courts will handle it if they can't get to 293.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whymetoo
From what he told me a lot of those guys don't want the job, even when he took the test he said a lot of those guys was out of shape, even if they do pass the test they would not pass the phys. And a class will be starting in late June early July as per his paper he receive.
What does that even mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600
Do me a favor and ignore my posts. I don't value your opinion, you are a negative flip flopper as some one pointed out a page or two ago. Your opinion constantly changes to whatever benefits you or lends it self to a negative comment. More people on this forum should have the balls to call you out on it.
Well, I think its pretty safe to assume this group will have closer to a 1:5 hiring ratio if not higher. Its traditionally 1:4 for OC. Here's hoping the second circuit court rules soon and they don't get any money or priority hiring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whymetoo
Thanks for the info BTW.
First, DJ seems to be looking for information at this point. It sounds like he's basically looking for things like how they weighted each question, how they decided on protests and so on. That's isn't exactly a controversial thing, considering that our scores for 6019 came with an answer key and indicated the value of each question.
As far as 2000 goes, I feel it was a more fair test than 6019. The first section of 6019 was matching numbers to numbers, essentially. I suspect a 1st grader could have been successful on that portion. And the famous 'chili' type questions, in my opinion, are not much different from the 'personality' questions on 2000. And to note, I did well on both exams.
Obviously, emotions are going to be strong when it comes to this exam and hiring prospects. People have been waiting a long time to get hired. And naturally, they would like to avoid a repeat of what occurred over the last six years. Its not unusual for people to be upset that they didnt do as well as expected on this exam and to want solid answers as to why. It's not unusual for people to be suspicious of the exam, after everything they've been through. It's also not unusual for people to take offense to the suggestion that they lied or that they were lucky in getting the results they did, when they did their best to prepare.
I have never thought much about the type or content of the exams we've taken. I knew I had to do my best with whatever was put before me and that was my focus. Now, do I think the quality of entrance exam has decreased? Sure. But, mainly, because there is no longer a weighted physical agility test. A pass - fail CPAT isn't exactly competitive.
As far as studying for 2000 goes, I did not study for the personality portion, mainly because I used an old LA County Fire entrance exam guide made by PSI. That guide essentially advised against studying for the personality portion. I never went to the Vulcan preparatory course and only briefly saw the guide they used. The questions in their guide were available in a prep guide created by a company called Don McNea fire school.
It's also important to remember that everyone has different interests in mind. The people already on the job have different interests than we do, just as merit matters has different interests than we do. I may be mistaken, but those groups aren't exactly concerned with us getting hired. Others want to ensure they were treated fairly with exam 2000. And all of us here are concerned with getting hired. These things are not surprising.
As far as the cream NOT rising to the top, I feel that remains to be seen. From the sounds of it, the hiring process is still as it was. It also sounds like you'll have to put in the work at the academy to succeed, as always. Its also important to remember, people wanting this job have to meet minimum standards, not maximum. There will be people who give it all they have and those that are content to meet the required standards. That's common to life in general.
I dont like it when I hear that it's like any other job. Or that its not that dangerous. It is dangerous, some situations less than others, but still, it is. This isn't going to the office. Firefighting is a job, that deals with a variety of emergencies, requiring a person to know about many different situations and to develop a variety of skills, including those of a medical nature, to handle emergencies that could be and are, life threatening to civilians and firefighters alike. And that doesn't matter if your company responds 3 times a day or 20 times, each and every response has the potential to cause harm to someone. However, that is my opinion and others see it differently.
As of now, remember, the results of the exam were approved by the court. The scores are what they are. 2500 was establish and is being used. 2000 has been published and likely, will be established and people will be hired. That could change. I don't think thats likely, but I didn't think I'd still be here, waiting, six years later. You just never know. Also, the results of the appeal are yet to arrive. As history has shown, circumstances can change.
I've come to realize that life is not fair and there are no certainties or guarantees. All I can do is prepare to the best of my ability, to put out maximum effort and do try to do what I think is right. It is possible I will do those things and it still may not work out. But, I tend to believe that if I do those things, if I take care of business, the odds will be in my favor. Maybe not always, but most of the time. And as far as hiring goes, until I'm actually at the academy, sworn in and participating, I won't believe it. As much as I believe it's virtually certain, it isn't. The important thing is to not lose hope. Recognize the situation, acknowledge it, but never lose hope. Never stop moving forward.
Good luck to all of you and I hope you all are successful in your endeavors.
Once I get a hold of the paper he was sent, I will post it. From what I remember from it was that they are expecting at least 140 priority hire will be place in the next class late June early July. It also contain a list of document that they should be getting together. But again I will try to post it to night once he email me them.
Despite the news, I think we all appreciate the info. Keep it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whymetoo
Kind of confused by that. My understanding of 2 out of 5 is that 2 will come off that list and 3 from OC. How would it lead to 140 right off the bat. I onviosuly understand your jst spitballing a number but i would think it would be like 30-40 people each class or first few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whymetoo
Thanks for passing along the information, but this story has a few holes in it. If he took the test, passed and did not take the job, he'd be entitled to nothing, certainly not a figure close to 200,000 dollars. Second, seeing as this issue is being reviewed by an appellate court, no money has been handed to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whymetoo
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Originally Posted by john_smith1
To make #s simple, if the next class is 320, and 100 spots are for EMS that leaves 220 spots. 220/5=44. 44x2 black applicants=88, 44 latino, is 132.
That would leave 88 spots for OC.
It's 2 Black and 1 Hispanic out of every five hires, so 3 off of the priority list and 2 off the OC. That would mean in a class of 320, about 190 would be priority hires. I would assume the reason that they are only expecting 140 is due to the remaining emts off of 2500.Quote:
Originally Posted by john_smith1
I got news for you, guy. You want this job, this job doesn't need you. What this job needs is a pool of qualified candidates with good attitudes. The testing process is the first line in establishing that pool, so knowing how it was scored, or how the scoring was engineered to achieve the racial balance the courts demanded is important information. That sham test you just took was a shade more legit than a lottery. Giving equal points for opinion questions? Asking how many friends you have? How many times a day you say thank you? It's complete bulls#%t and you know it. It just so happens you got lucky and scored well (or so we assume, no shed no light on your list number) and you want hiring to proceed as quickly as possible. You have an "I got mine" attitude, the kind of attitude that makes a terrible member of the firehouse, a total hairbag. Why don't you come on over to the next Merit Matters meeting, it's at St. Luke's Church on 138th st in the Bronx. You should stand up and announce to us all that you think we're wasting our time caring about the future of this job and just move on, let the hiring process go forward. Really, go ahead and see how that goes over.....you got so much to say, come do it in person.Quote:
Originally Posted by GIMMEFIRE600
To the rest of you, this process is flawed, the test is flawed and the results could mean a 40+ year old gets the job over you. It means we get less qualified candidates and the job suffers. For most of us, this isn't just a job, it's a true calling and a lifestyle. It doesn't end when your tour is over. The people I work with are truly my brothers and sisters and I want nothing more than to that spirit continue, to continue to make this a place I want my son to work and so on......
......or I could just roll over, say,"we'll, I'm on this job already, so f%#k the rest of'em". For everyone who has that attitude, the "just accept it" attitude, take a cue from Lt. "Crazy" Pete at the rock.....
....as he would say, "how about a nice cup of shut the f#ck up".
I believe the ratio for priority hiring is 3 of every 5 (2 black candidates, 1 Hispanic candidate) candidates must come from the priority hire list until they have hired 293.
If I did my math correctly, in theory, for a class of 320 candidates, it would work out to be 192 people from the priority hire list. That would leave 128 spots for EMS promotional candidate and/or open competitive lists. Believe it or not, I think the people on the priority hiring list have priority over the EMS promotional candidates too.
That's simply an estimate based on numbers for priority hiring, from the court and the number hired for the current class. It means nothing, other than I was curious.
So you trying to tell us that if you were in our shoes you were to turn down the job if it was you in our position right now right?Quote:
Originally Posted by FDsouthbxNY
I understand guys OTJ want to keep the value of the job but we as candidates also want to get hired. I been waiting to get on the job since I took the 6019 test. I don't want to be on my 30's still persuing this career when I should have been 21 OTJ already. Although I don't agree with the test format I will NOT turn down the job because of it.