Typed that on my phone I swear I'm not illiterate
Let me just say this. We can argue all day about it, but no matter what the test was or was not, this job can still be the greatest job in the world. It's going to take the efforts of guys who are OTJ, the instructors at the Rock, and the potential candidates like us who respect the job to keep it this way. In our case, it's going to start from day 1 in the academy - if you see a guy/gal in your company with an IGM attitude, straighten them out. There's no room for that. It's EVERYONE'S responsibility to protect the brotherhood, not just the senior guys. Don't let these ridiculous court rulings, exams and what not change that.
PS I wasn't talking about Buffalo fire earlier. BFD=Boston, MA
Still a hysterical movie
I guess I'm the only one here planning to run and work out this weekend? Hmm I must be in too deep :/
The only points that should stand are those for people who served this country in the armed forces or those who's parents/siblings paid the ultimate price. Those people earned those points with blood. Living in the boroughs, you didn't earn anything.
I'm not sure what people exactly expect us to do with this situation. None of us came looking to get involved with controversial exams or in court cases. We did not come hoping for an exam like 6019 or like 2000. We did not ask for a cpat rather than a graded physical agaility test. We did not ask for the 5 residency points or for advantages, but only for opportunity. This is what we were given. We are playing with the hand that we were dealt in 2007 and now in 2012. I'm sure many of us would like to prove ourselves the way those did in the past. But we can't. For many of us, this month marks six years since 6019 was given and we are no closer. And that is through no fault of our own. So, what are we to do? At this point in time, this exam is the only way for us to get to the academy and ultimately, have the honor and privilege of being members of one of the greatest organizations in the world.
I understand the need for transparency. I understand the need to be sure that this exam was on the straight and narrow. But, should all of us candidates hope for hiring to stop? For problems to be found? And for another exam to be caught up in litigation? You cannot fault the people here or out there for not wanting any more delays. Or for being upset that people may once again try to stop hiring.
I also think it is unfair to automatically assume that the quality of the job will decrease due to this exam. Yes, I know that is life. And as such, many of us will understand that and prove ourselves to be dedicated members. But, we have nothing to do with the priority list, as I suspect that is one of the main concerns. As far as exam 2000, the list has many veterans and legacies. I am willing to guess that those people will make great members of the department, carry on the traditions of the job and possibly make the job even better. They will understand the need to work as a team and essentially, to operate like a family. As far as the rest of the people, who aren't veterans, there is no proof that they too, won't make good, dedicated members. Many of us here have dedicated most of our adult lives to getting onto this job. I suspect many of the people who don't frequent this forum to be similar. And you can expect that same dedication to continue should we be given a chance to earn what you gentlemen are part of and to experience what you experience.
It has been a common thing, over the history of the department, to hear people say that a new generation wouldn't be as good as those that came before them. This is not the first time for a lawsuit or court cases for the department. And in the 148 year history of the department, generation after generation has been able to carry on and continue to improve the traditions of this department, in spite of difficult times. A great man named Joe Angelini was asked in a documentary about the the changes in time, in regards to the job, and he said something like 'times change, but the breed of men don't.' A majority of the candidates from this list will be good, dedicated members of the department. No matter what anyone tries to do, if we are given the chance, have the opportunity to be lead and taught about our responsibilities, about the brotherhood, about the traditions, about how to be good firefighters by the current members of this job, then the excellence of this department will carry on. Good leadership will ensure that the traditions remain. Remember, much to the chagrin of others, many of the candidates will still be family, friends or people who the job was recommended to. I agree with others who feel that the academy will weed out people who don't want to put in the work. And from the sounds of things, they are not joking around with this new class that is in there now.
I have been trying to get on to this job since I was age 17, just before my senior year of high school, when I tried to apply for exam 2043, but was denied. That was 2002. At 21, I moved here. About a year later, my first chance to test was 6019, at age 22 in January 2007. I did well, I passed all of the necessary steps and nearly went to the academy. But, eventually, the test was thrown out. Then came exam 2000, at age 27, 10 years after first trying to test. I was fortunate to have done well once again. Now, I'm age 28 and still waiting. Others have stories like this.
I grew up in small town, 3 hours north of here. There are more people within a few blocks of my current residence than in my whole hometown. I did many things, spent lots of time in sports and in the woods, but I always made sure to make time to read about this job. About Harlem, the South Bronx, the West Bronx, Washington Heights, Alphabet City, Brownsville, Bushwick, Bed - Stuy, East New York, Crown Height and Flastbush. About names like Tiso, Neary, Principio, Downey, Brown, Hayde, Carlson, Kleehaas, O'Hagan, Williams, Dunn, Pritchard, Morris, Angelini, Vigiano, Patterson, Ferrell, Ielpi, Brennan. Others have similar stories. Reading about that, about those men, the family - like nature and the opportunity to serve others, drew me to this job (I have no firefighters in my family).I have been trying for 11 years to earn this job, the lack of success no fault of my own. When does it end? What am I to do, what are we to do? Hope to see more litigation? To support it? Time is running out.
To chime in about the residency and the transparency:
Its an absolute sham that there is no answer key laid out. Yes I went to the protest review and like the rest of you, no I do not have any idea if my protests were upheld. Nor do I have any idea which questions were worth more than others. And the SSN tiebreaker....obviously a complete joke.
If they actually listed the answer key along with the weight of each question, and at least one number from each persons SSN then there might be alot less frustrated people. At the same time there also might be alot more angry people who would have seen even more clearly how asinine this was handled.
However I'm not complaining just merely giving my opinion on the facts. I went to the prep sessions and was only really taken by surprise by both the rounding of the scores and the SSN tiebreaker - and I consider myself fortunate, not lucky, to be within the projected hiring range without the help of residency credits (Nevermind the fact that I'm a 3rd gen New Yorker born in Queens). I knew that this was going to be a ****show and prepared as much as I could, and focused as hard as I could during the test. The rest wasn't up to me.
Obviously no method is perfect but when considering a civil service job the playing field should be fair and level, and as always when dealing with government i.e. - OUR tax money - the methods should always be transparent so that WE know how they are using OUR money.
Not sure if anyone can help me out and this is a little off topic. My father passed away 13 years after retirement after being on the job for 25 years. He passed away from a very rare cancer. He didn't smoke and barley drank. We suspected he got this cancer from the job because it never ran in the family and because of its rarity. Correct me if I am wrong but this does not count as legacy credit right? Which I think is bull****
this thread is going off the rails with all the arguing over stuff we have no control over. You all drove me to the Rant!!!!
anyway, saw this posted over there....
"Was at education day this week. A 4 star chief was there and said there is going to be a July 29th class."
Sorry for your lost but that would be hard to prove on all accounts.
The reason why the 9/11 got the legacy points is because the gravity of the situation and the irrefutable evidence of many first responders passing away from terminal illnesses in the following years. The other guys who qualified for these points had a relative who got killed in the line of duty.