Boys don't forget that most of the guys dropped from proby school WILL get recycled again for the summer class.
Does anyone know if dumbbells are provided for us in the academy or we have to bring our own? If we have to get them what do they want you to get? Wouldn't want to have to buy something twice.
Don't be in that position........
has anyone got any updates on what the news is with PHs? Are they entering the next class?
Almostthere, maybe you have the best insight.
Anyone who went to informational session today or who knows, how did you dress? business casual? and we don't need anything other than ourselves? correct.
Just curious if anyone know what happens if you get sick while your in proby school? I e from the flu,high fever, or bronchitis? Do they recycle you or do they flat out get rid of you because your a sicko?
Listen, the point is, you have to tough it out. After the academy and a few months of straight tours, you'll be doing 24's and that means 25+ hours at work, straight. 25+ because we show up an hour early for everything, right? Working 24s can rough you up, long nights of runs every hour on the hour will make you hate life the next day. Deal.....just deal.
I'm going through an academy now(much easier than fires) and had a stomach virus for 3 days. You just suck it up best you can. There's 40,xxx other people who want your spot.
Article from the chief with a little more info:
Appeals Court Halts Use of U.S. Monitor for Firefighter Test
Chief Leader - February 12, 2013
by RICHARD STEIER
A Federal appeals court’s decision to halt oversight by a court-appointed monitor of Firefighter hiring by the FDNY raised the possibility that the court will ultimately overturn parts of U.S. District Judge Nicholas Garaufis’s finding that three previous tests for the job discriminated against black and Latino candidates.
The ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has no immediate impact on hiring based on the exam for the job given last year, which was approved by Judge Garaufis after minority candidates passed it in close proportion to their application rates. If it affects any of the three exams covered by his discrimination finding, the most-likely candidate would be the 2007 test.
Tied to Results, Not Flaws
Unlike the exams given in 1999 and 2002, Judge Garaufis did not find specific faults with the testing material pertaining to either a cultural bias or its demanding of a higher education level than was required to perform the job. Rather, he found the 2007 test to be biased based on the concept of disparate impact. Although the percentage of minority candidates who passed that test closely paralleled the percentage who took it, the Vulcan Society of black firefighters had objected that too many of the black candidates who scored well enough to expect to be appointed were clumped toward the bottom of the likely hiring contingent. There was also a smaller percentage of them expected to be hired than that for Latino candidates.
City officials had appealed Judge Garaufis’s sweeping ruling—which added the 2007 test even though it was not part of the original discrimination complaint brought before him by the U.S. Justice Department earlier that year, after the Judge asserted that the FDNY had engaged in decades of illegal discrimination against minority firefighters. He was particularly harsh in his comments about the Bloomberg administration’s alleged failure to address the situation. The administration was further angered when Judge Garaufis refused to grant its request that the hiring monitor he appointed, Marc Cohen, itemize the bills he had submitted for $1.7 million in legal fees over the past year. Less than a month before the appeals-court ruling, city Corporation Counsel Michael A. Cardozo had renewed his request to Judge Garaufis to seek accountability from Mr. Cohen for the charges he had submitted.
Ordered Hiring Preference
To remedy past discrimination, Judge Garaufis had ordered that the city give hiring preference to up to 293 minority candidates who passed last year’s exam after competing on one or more of the previous tests. He also ordered damages of up to $128 million be paid to candidates who took the previous exams but did not score well enough to be appointed as Firefighters.
A top Law Department attorney, Georgia Pestana, was relatively restrained in reacting to the Court of Appeals ruling barring Mr. Cohen from exercising further authority until it issues a final decision on the city’s overall appeal of Judge Garaufis’s decision and order, saying, “We are gratified that the court granted our stay. This will enable [Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano] to exercise hiring discretion without the court monitor’s involvement.”
The first group of 320 new Firefighters appointed last month based on the 2012 exam were all employees of the Emergency Medical Service who because they are FDNY employees were able to take it as a promotion test.
An attorney for the Vulcans, Richard Levy, reflected the impact the temporary stay may portend when he told Newsday, “I felt a lot better a few minutes ago, before I read the Second Circuit order. It’s a disappointing decision.”
Fire Capt. Paul Washington, a former Vulcan Society president who has been active in the court battle, in a phone interview agreed the ruling wasn’t a good omen. “But the main thing we wanted from the legal action was a new test,” he said.
‘Hope It’s a Harbinger’
That ruling was hailed by Paul Mannix, a Deputy Fire Chief who as head of the anti-affirmative-action group Merit Matters has been a vocal critic of Judge Garaufis’s rulings.
“Needless to say, we’re happy,” he said in a Feb. 8 phone interview. “We’re hoping it’s a harbinger of things to come, and that it happens soon.”
The appeals court gave no indication as to how soon it will issue a final ruling on the city’s appeal.
Lol so it's still ambiguous about the PHs...