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    Its states in the cover exactly this, prepared for the vulcan society by the don McNea fire school. I would think if you PDF this it may be the same as plagiarism. But then again I don't know, maybe look into it a little further before any decision is made.

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    Everyone needs to stop being scared, send it to me and I'll post it.

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    Just in case anyone wanted a review of one of the fire exam prep courses, allow me to be the first to say that the Firefighter Training Group out of Sayville is a scam. They run the website www.civilservicesuccess.com where they charge a candidate $359 for a two day study session. Personally, I thought that for $359 I would be getting one on one time with a knowledgeable expert as well as relevant insight. I was wrong, I attended the Mineola session today and there was a retired NYPD guy that claimed to have written civil service tests in the past who read from a booklet for four hours. I seriously felt dumber afterward. Please learn from my mistake, do not give these people your money. It is a ripoff and I unfortunately fell for it. I will attend the study session the city gives because it is free.

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    The vulcan homework packet is the same exact as the Don Mcnea. Just got back from the BK prep and it was a preety pleasant experience.

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    Hey everyone,

    I have been going over this thread and following all the links and videos and its a damn shame that all this is happening.

    I am not sure if anyone tried calling me about scheduling a tutorial session but I live in Wisconsin so it wouldn't be easy for me to make one of the sessions. The thing I want to know is if anyone can give a little more insight as to what was coverd in the sessions.

    Also I have my test date April 17th. Anyone else for that date?

    Thanks

    Patrick

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomFromQueens View Post
    The vulcan homework packet is the same exact as the Don Mcnea. Just got back from the BK prep and it was a preety pleasant experience.
    Is that sarcasm? Any tips or good advice from the Vulcan boys you'd like to share with us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomFromQueens View Post
    Just got back from the BK prep and it was a preety pleasant experience.
    Was this session B?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNY2000 View Post
    Just in case anyone wanted a review of one of the fire exam prep courses, allow me to be the first to say that the Firefighter Training Group out of Sayville is a scam. They run the website www.civilservicesuccess.com where they charge a candidate $359 for a two day study session. Personally, I thought that for $359 I would be getting one on one time with a knowledgeable expert as well as relevant insight. I was wrong, I attended the Mineola session today and there was a retired NYPD guy that claimed to have written civil service tests in the past who read from a booklet for four hours. I seriously felt dumber afterward. Please learn from my mistake, do not give these people your money. It is a ripoff and I unfortunately fell for it. I will attend the study session the city gives because it is free.
    I also attended these classes back in December and January and felt it could have been better. BUT, one thing the instructor did say was that could be important had to do with the personality questions. He stated that his company did their research on PSI and their tests from all over the country and stated that we should not be answering strongly disagree or strongly agree on ALL of the background information survey questions. He explained some questions where an agree or disagree would be a better answer than the extremes.

    I attended the Vulcan's prep course today in Manhattan and what they were instructing from was the Don McNea school's packet. They were basically telling us that if you always go with Strongly Agree or Strongly Disagree, you'll always be fine. I'm not so sure that's true this time around, what does everyone else think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerritMatters View Post
    I also attended these classes back in December and January and felt it could have been better. BUT, one thing the instructor did say was that could be important had to do with the personality questions. He stated that his company did their research on PSI and their tests from all over the country and stated that we should not be answering strongly disagree or strongly agree on ALL of the background information survey questions. He explained some questions where an agree or disagree would be a better answer than the extremes.

    I attended the Vulcan's prep course today in Manhattan and what they were instructing from was the Don McNea school's packet. They were basically telling us that if you always go with Strongly Agree or Strongly Disagree, you'll always be fine. I'm not so sure that's true this time around, what does everyone else think?

    To be fair, they did not state that to go with "strongly" you'll always be fine. They did single out 4 categories where "strongly" is the suggested way to go. It's all in the beginning of the packet. They definitely acknowledged that to go with regular agree or disagree could very likely be weighted more on some questions. The teachers admitted that they weren't sure how it will be graded as a whole, just like anyone else.

    And for the record, I feel like my credit card is a bit unnecessarily high after that 4 session course as well. And I hate to say that, because the teachers were good guys personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerritMatters View Post
    I also attended these classes back in December and January and felt it could have been better. BUT, one thing the instructor did say was that could be important had to do with the personality questions. He stated that his company did their research on PSI and their tests from all over the country and stated that we should not be answering strongly disagree or strongly agree on ALL of the background information survey questions. He explained some questions where an agree or disagree would be a better answer than the extremes.

    I attended the Vulcan's prep course today in Manhattan and what they were instructing from was the Don McNea school's packet. They were basically telling us that if you always go with Strongly Agree or Strongly Disagree, you'll always be fine. I'm not so sure that's true this time around, what does everyone else think?
    Yea I remember them saying all of this. Now I'm all lost and shiet. I would guess it all depends on the question itself, if you really feel its strongly agree then fill that one in. Or maybe it's ok to say either answer as long as its the agree or strongly agree or disagree or strongly disagree Field of the question. What does anyone else think? Because as of now it can get kinda confusing for a person.

    I also remember the civil service Class instructor said those kinds of questions are gonna be worth a fraction of a point on the exam. They feel that the reading comp is the area where candidates are gonna lack at. Pw said it is the other way around. Smh what does anyone make of all of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner09 View Post
    To be fair, they did not state that to go with "strongly" you'll always be fine. They did single out 4 categories where "strongly" is the suggested way to go. It's all in the beginning of the packet. They definitely acknowledged that to go with regular agree or disagree could very likely be weighted more on some questions. The teachers admitted that they weren't sure how it will be graded as a whole, just like anyone else.

    And for the record, I feel like my credit card is a bit unnecessarily high after that 4 session course as well. And I hate to say that, because the teachers were good guys personally.
    Yes they did state the four areas, but made it pretty clear to the class today that going with strongly agree or strongly disagree is safer, not saying I completely agree, but that's the impression I got...

    yea... the guy we had was ok, but the fee was a bit high for the classes and what we got...

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    LOL oh man. I don't know what to think about this agree/disagree, strongly agree/disagree this time around. That was my weak spot on the last test but that was my first experience with those type of questions and I feel like after talking to friends pursuing police and fire jobs and other people OTJ that I know how to answer those a little better.

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    Were any tips on the video portion of the exam expressed in these sessions?

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    Look people answer these questions honestly and truthfully then you will get the highest score, but if you go into the exam thinking how do they want me to answer it or who said what would be the best answer choice then your going to set yourself up for failure. As for the video goes the Vulcans encouraged everyone to watch the video 3 times and take notes on what you watched. The details of the notes were so overall critical that they wanted to know who produced the video at one point which was shown at the end of the video in small print. They believe that there will be three videos on the exam.

    This was one video that they showed

    A VERY ZOMBIE HOLIDAY (Instructional video) The video stopped near the 2:00 mark.
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    I think everybody getting all worked up over the personality questions. Heres some advice, if the answer is not obvious then JUST BE HONEST. Better to get the answer wrong being truthful then pretending to be somebody your not.

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    I attended the Brooklyn session yesterday as well and was blown away by the very professional presentation. I really have to commend all who put it together especially the main FF who did most of the lecture. The information presented could have easily been very dry and boring, but was made interesting because he kept it light and funny throughout the entire day. Besides the actual test material, he also did a nice job describing the FDNY culture. He emphasized what it means to be a member and that YOU will have to adapt to the ways and traditions of the job and not the other way around. There were people of all races in attendance and everyone was treated with the utmost respect. They even went as far as discussing the importance of being able to work with people of all colors and backgrounds.

    Some quick test related points:

    -They did address the 4 categories that should be always agree-always disagree. But they also recommended we answer all of them that way. They said that Firefighters should be steadfast in their thinking and not wishy washy. They said that the agree/disagree option is like saying "Yeah I kinda agree/disagree." I don't know if the grading system will feel the same way but that is their opinion.
    -The video portion emphasized the importance of taking good notes. Watch the video the first time w/out taking notes and just absorb what you are seeing. The 2nd time you should take notes and the 3rd time is a chance to catch whatever you missed. Practice taking notes with abbreviations and short sentences, you only have enough time to right the main points.
    -Information ordering seemed to trip some guys up. Practice. Practice. Practice.

    I strongly recommend this class. Lesson plan B will cover the same material, just differently worded questions. So if you missed A, you can still benefit form the B session. For the guys that can't make it, spend the $50 and buy the Don Mcnea prep.

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    Not for nothing but I know alot of people went to the study course hosted by the Vulcans.... why wont anyone just give over the study book so we can all have it. There should be no reason for us to spend 50 buck on a prep book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDEL210201 View Post
    Not for nothing but I know alot of people went to the study course hosted by the Vulcans.... why wont anyone just give over the study book so we can all have it. There should be no reason for us to spend 50 buck on a prep book.
    If you want the job that bad like I and others do, do whatever it takes to get ready. 50 bucks is nothing compared to what I spent on classes and gyms to get ready ahead of time. I'm not saying this to insult you but look at it this way, in the long run all the money you paid to get in the FDNY will be repaid back to you. Whenever your on the job you will remember the time and effort you put in to get the job. Plus you don't know what kind of legal issues may arise from making a study material public. Permission has to be granted and don McNea won't let this happen because it ls money they are losing. Try to attend a meeting or buy the study book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDEL210201 View Post
    Not for nothing but I know alot of people went to the study course hosted by the Vulcans.... why wont anyone just give over the study book so we can all have it. There should be no reason for us to spend 50 buck on a prep book.
    Theres actually a good reason to spend the $50... How bout an opportunity to get the best job in the world? $50 is a bargain...

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    ok maybe it came out wrong. Its not the 50 bucks... I am not that cheap lol. I am just hoping that the material provided to the Vulcans is the same as the one I will purchase. I dont want to be looking over material that does not match what was given during the Vulcans review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDEL210201 View Post
    Not for nothing but I know alot of people went to the study course hosted by the Vulcans.... why wont anyone just give over the study book so we can all have it. There should be no reason for us to spend 50 buck on a prep book.
    Why won't anyone just give you the study guide?
    There should be no reason for you to spend $50?

    Maybe not, but what else do you want handed to you?
    Yes it sucks. But if you want it, you need to suck it up.
    Fifty dollars is not that much.

    **Don't forget, guys are having to pay ($20?) for the VS sessions too.

    (Skavenger, I actually agree with something you wrote.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDEL210201 View Post
    Not for nothing but I know alot of people went to the study course hosted by the Vulcans.... why wont anyone just give over the study book so we can all have it. There should be no reason for us to spend 50 buck on a prep book.
    yes nobody should have to risk getting in legal trouble to save you $50 bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongCut View Post
    yes nobody should have to risk getting in legal trouble to save you $50 bucks.
    So if we share any written materials on this forum we risk getting ourselves in legal troubles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enwhycee1 View Post
    So if we share any written materials on this forum we risk getting ourselves in legal troubles?
    Yes, before making ridiculous decisions I would recommend to look into it. You can't expect to post someone else's work and get away with it. The company is not Gonna get stuck with a thumb in there mouths.

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    for you guys who have gotten in to the vulcans prep classes since the fiasco in queens, have you signed up online? I assume you still werent on their list, so did they make you wait until all the ppl on their list checked in? i signed up for the queens class, but obviously it didnt matter.

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