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    Quote Originally Posted by HopefulFF View Post
    nothing, it'll be more of the same...this is the city's version of CPAT prep. one bonus will be getting to see the course you'll actually test on
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    I hope all of our appointments will be spaced out. Not week after week. I work for a non union contractor and theynqont take kindly to me missing a day too often; especially for another job lol. I already had to lie and tell them i have a doctors appointment on the twenty seventh, follow up appointment for surgery...but im really going to meet my investigator.

    I hope they dont ask for proof. If anything, after my interview ill just run down to the doctors office and claim that my hand was hurting (previous hematoma that he already diagnosed and cured). Then ill just grab a note from him to show my employer just to prove i was there. The doctor will tell me im fine of course (lol), and it will cost me $50. But at least ill still have a job. But if i get a letter for the medical or psychological telling me to report within the following 2 weeks, then ill be losing my job for sure. Cant wait to get the hell outta the private sector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderneck30 View Post
    I hope all of our appointments will be spaced out. Not week after week. I work for a non union contractor and theynqont take kindly to me missing a day too often; especially for another job lol. I already had to lie and tell them i have a doctors appointment on the twenty seventh, follow up appointment for surgery...but im really going to meet my investigator.

    I hope they dont ask for proof. If anything, after my interview ill just run down to the doctors office and claim that my hand was hurting (previous hematoma that he already diagnosed and cured). Then ill just grab a note from him to show my employer just to prove i was there. The doctor will tell me im fine of course (lol), and it will cost me $50. But at least ill still have a job. But if i get a letter for the medical or psychological telling me to report within the following 2 weeks, then ill be losing my job for sure. Cant wait to get the hell outta the private sector.
    I know the feeling lol. I been in my job for the past 7 years and I must tell you I can't wait till I can tell my boss " I'm out biatch!" ( probably not that dramatic lol )

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian_patrick View Post
    Hey guys. Like a few other people recently, I have been following this thread for some time now but only recently made a username. Just to put the cards on the table like many others have, I am on list 2000, number 20xx. My first question here is directed toward MM or others who are familiar with exam 2500. As an insurance policy I signed up for a class to get my emt certification finishing in August with a fdny civil service test in September. I know individuals in ems need 2 years of service before they can take the promotion. If I were to get on ems in January 2015 and a test for firefighter comes in say February 2016, can emts who don't have 2 years on take the exam and defer their list number until they get those 2 years? Thanks in advance and I look forward to chatting with everyone.
    So what you need to know is there is a difference between being eligible to sit for an exam, and being eligible to be hired/promoted.

    For 2500 originally to be eligible to sit for the exam I think you had to be a permanent member of EMS on the first day of filing for the exam (7/15/2011). They later amended the NOE to state that anybody that was a permanent member of EMS on the first day of computer-based testing (March something 2012) was eligible. They did this because 2-3 EMT classes were hired between July and March, and so they gave those guys a break and allowed all of them to be eligible for the exam.

    To be eligible for the promotion you need 2 years on EMS. They will not waive this requirement under any circumstance.

    So, to be clear, assuming nothing about the above changes, if a future NOE stated "to sit for the exam you must be a permanent civil service member of EMS as of 03/01/16" then theoretically as long as you were hired the day before then you're good. If, theoretically, you were hired the day before, which would be 02/29/16, you'd have to wait till 03/01/18 to be eligible to actually get promoted.

    All this is kind of a wash because as FDsouthbxNY said your list # is low enough to get called. You could still consider the EMS route as a backup incase something happens with this time around.

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    Got mine. 3/23 & 3/27. But whats going on there that wont be covered at the CPAT training sessions at the Rock?
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    If it's in LIC, make sure you get there early. Parking is a biznatch.
    Official orientation at DCAS. You get shown the same video you've seen before, then you get a walkthrough on the official course. It's worth it to go to one just to see where the place is in real life, and get a sense of the real course. Try not to drive, just take the 7 train, it's much easier.
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    Can some one post the chief article from today. I can't sign on to my online account and am waiting for the chief to email me back. I don't understand how I can be signed in but can't access it.
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    Anyone else receive their physical date in the mail ? Mine is next week, pretty excited, I'm going to stay away from heavy weights and just stick to cardio and a little endurance training . By the way, does the letter of deposition state your summonses? Because I know we need to state them but I have no history of them at all, besides knowing I got a few for open container or what not . Also just curious but does the medical exam do a hair follicle test? I know, I know.
    Thanks, stay positive and goodluck!

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    Police is the only one that does hair follicle testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnatchBK View Post
    Anyone else receive their physical date in the mail ? Mine is next week, pretty excited, I'm going to stay away from heavy weights and just stick to cardio and a little endurance training . By the way, does the letter of deposition state your summonses? Because I know we need to state them but I have no history of them at all, besides knowing I got a few for open container or what not . Also just curious but does the medical exam do a hair follicle test? I know, I know.
    Thanks, stay positive and goodluck!
    Are you on #2000? What is your list number (approximately)?

    Good luck.

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    FDNY: Nothing’s Unusual About Firefighter Recruits’ Struggles
    Chief Leader - March 12, 2013

    by SARAH DORSEY

    Fire Department officials heatedly denied a claim in the New York Post, quoting anonymous sources, that standards will likely be lowered for the first crop of Firefighter recruits in more than four years—all Emergency Medical Service promotees—because they are so out of shape they’re “failing the Fire Academy in record numbers.”

    Figures Differ

    The Post reported that, six weeks into the 18-week program, 30 trainees had dropped out and more than half failed the physical-fitness test, which includes a 1.5-mile run within 12 minutes, 30 push-ups in a minute, 30 sit-ups in a minute, and four pull-ups. The 318 recruits must pass the test in May to graduate and become Firefighters.

    Actually, only 21 have quit, and those numbers are somewhat elevated but far from unusual, said FDNY spokesman Frank Gribbon, adding that the test won’t be made easier.

    “A lot of people fail [the fitness test], always,” he said. “On average, 100-plus fail.”

    He added that 6.6 percent of recruits have quit so far, slightly more than the average since 2002 of 6.2 percent. But in recent years, that number has gone as high as more than 13 percent.

    'Not Much More Than Average'

    “The fact that people drop out is part and parcel of the [process],” he said. “This might be more than average, but not that much more. The bottom line is, whether they are fit that first day or not, they don’t graduate unless they meet that performance threshold that we determine.”

    “Some have left for personal reasons and will be back in the next class,” he added.

    Chief in Charge Thomas Galvin, who runs the Bureau of Training, acknowledged that about 120 probies are still doing remedial training on their own time to become more fit. But several of them have since passed the fitness test and have stuck with it simply because they like the results, he said.

    Of the 21 who dropped out of the program, 18 plan to re-join in a class or two when they’re more fit—a decision he’s seen EMTs and Paramedics make many times in his eight years leading the bureau. Most EMS employees who decide to delay their Firefighter bids usually follow through, he said.

    Won't Bend Standards

    Mr. Galvin said no standards would be bent to pass unfit candidates. For years, new Firefighters have had to run 1.5 miles in 13 minutes; if they can’t, a doctor must decide if they’re fit enough to train with the class. At the end of the 18-week Fire Academy program, all probies must run 1.5 miles in 12 minutes to pass. No exceptions.

    “Everybody who walks into the Academy is going to have to meet the same standard that they’ve had to meet for the last fifty years,” he said.

    Izzy Miranda, president of the Uniformed EMTs, Paramedics and Fire Inspectors Local 2507 of District Council 37, said he believed Mr. Gribbon’s assessment that his former members are roughly in the same physical shape as other fire classes, and added that it would make sense if some struggled initially with the rigorous Fire Academy training.

    “A lot of [our] people are waiting four, five years to get on [the job],” he said. “We count more on medical training than we do on our physical training in most cases.”

    ‘No Social Promotion Here’

    Uniformed Fire Officers Association President Alexander Hagan said he strongly doubted standards were being relaxed. “I believe in the integrity of the Division of Training,” he said in a phone interview last week. “There are no social promotions in the Fire Department. If you don’t make the grade, you don’t get the job.”

    But Stephen J. Cassidy, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said the FDNY should be recruiting heavily from the military and high-school and college athletics departments rather than filling the first class from every list with EMS employees, a move he said was instituted in the mid-1990s to bring in more minorities. (The EMS division is by far the most diverse in the department.)

    “The UFA has been against this all along. We don’t think anybody should get a leg up,” he said.

    Mr. Gribbon said the department has no plans to switch to a pre-Academy physical exam with a ranked, rather than pass/fail, score. In 2007, the FDNY adopted a qualifying fitness test called the CPAT, to bring it into line with practices at fire departments across the country.

    Setting Bar Too Low?

    But Mr. Cassidy blasted the CPAT as inadequate for New York, where fire conditions are particularly bad.

    “CPAT is a minimum standard. Minimum standards are unacceptable to be a New York City firefighter,” he said, noting that his members are more likely to be called to a fire—rather than another, less-challenging run—than firefighters in any other city. New York’s housing stock is also older than most in the U.S.

    “We have tens of thousands of buildings that have been grandfathered in as building codes changed. We have a higher number of skyscrapers that don’t have sprinkler systems than any city in the country.”

    He said bringing in more military veterans and athletic students would solve the diversity problem without lowering fitness standards.

    Mr. Miranda said it hurt his members’ morale when their colleagues quickly fled for the Fire Academy.

    “If you want to be a fireman, you should concentrate and train for that profession, but if you want to use our profession as a doormat to backdoor your way in, it does the EMS service no justice. Being an EMS professional is a career, not a stepping stone.”

    Mr. Gribbon believes it’s fitting that EMS members are given hiring priority.

    “We place a very high value on skilled EMTs and Paramedics, especially considering the fact that last year, 45 percent of all fire responses were EMS runs,” he said. “Year after year, that is becoming more and more of the workload.” He noted that last year, nearly half the city’s medical emergencies were handled by firefighters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnatchBK View Post
    Anyone else receive their physical date in the mail ? Mine is next week, pretty excited, I'm going to stay away from heavy weights and just stick to cardio and a little endurance training . By the way, does the letter of deposition state your summonses? Because I know we need to state them but I have no history of them at all, besides knowing I got a few for open container or what not . Also just curious but does the medical exam do a hair follicle test? I know, I know.
    Thanks, stay positive and goodluck!
    I posted about it a few posts back. Its not the actual physical, its the orientation, a walkthrough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grok350 View Post
    I posted about it a few posts back. Its not the actual physical, its the orientation, a walkthrough.
    I got this as well, is it pretty much just the same thing going on at the academy? I have the two dates, but my first one falls on a day I have a midterm (plus CPAT prep training that night), but my second date is during spring break, and I plan on going to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadxmerch View Post
    I got this as well, is it pretty much just the same thing going on at the academy? I have the two dates, but my first one falls on a day I have a midterm (plus CPAT prep training that night), but my second date is during spring break, and I plan on going to that.
    I plan on going to one just to see where it is and see how the travel time is getting there. Other than that i think the cpat prep given at the academy will be more than enough to familiarize me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukez View Post
    I know the feeling lol. I been in my job for the past 7 years and I must tell you I can't wait till I can tell my boss " I'm out biatch!" ( probably not that dramatic lol )
    September will be 7 years for me at my job and I'm dream of the day I can finally give my notice. It gets harder and harder everyday when it seems like the end game is finally in sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomFromQueens View Post
    September will be 7 years for me at my job and I'm dream of the day I can finally give my notice. It gets harder and harder everyday when it seems like the end game is finally in sight.
    Be honest though, you would love to give your boss a piece of mind ( a few curses maybe lol ) on how wonderful those 7 years were right? But then I think about it and don't want to burn any bridges just because you never know what might happen in the academy, injuries specially and atleast have a job till your able to go back to the academy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomFromQueens View Post
    September will be 7 years for me at my job and I'm dream of the day I can finally give my notice. It gets harder and harder everyday when it seems like the end game is finally in sight.
    Yeah man, I know how you feel. I took my current job right after college because I figured the FDNY was always just a year or two away, so it didn't matter much that I hated it haha. Just clocked 8 years and I almost cant believe I'm actually less than a year away. Sounds hyperbolic I know but I feel like I'm getting out of prison.
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    It's funny that my exam was almost exactly a year ago. And I almost missed it because I was on the line for the Iron workers union for about 40 minutes before I realized it was the wrong one. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderneck30 View Post
    I hope all of our appointments will be spaced out. Not week after week. I work for a non union contractor and theynqont take kindly to me missing a day too often; especially for another job lol. I already had to lie and tell them i have a doctors appointment on the twenty seventh, follow up appointment for surgery...but im really going to meet my investigator.

    I hope they dont ask for proof. If anything, after my interview ill just run down to the doctors office and claim that my hand was hurting (previous hematoma that he already diagnosed and cured). Then ill just grab a note from him to show my employer just to prove i was there. The doctor will tell me im fine of course (lol), and it will cost me $50. But at least ill still have a job. But if i get a letter for the medical or psychological telling me to report within the following 2 weeks, then ill be losing my job for sure. Cant wait to get the hell outta the private sector.
    Looks like ill be missing this one. I just had my intake interview las friday and had to fly into NYC from TN. Cant afford to buy another flight within a week or two.

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    wow...the country's economy is goint to sh*t...the government suspended tuition assistance for military until further notice...they're also talking about closing some services several days of the week, heard from someone that the army chief of staff resigned, and god knows what else...I wonder if FDNY is going to be affected in any way eventhough the cuts are being done at the federal level.

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    Just to give people a heads up, the medical exam consists of these things:
    Urine test, EKG, hearing, stair mill, blood, Tuberculosis shot, eye exam, mask breathing, pretty much in that order, or close to it. I don't think I'm missing anything, but if I am, these are the ones you remember the most. LOL
    Remember to listen to every direction closely, even the little ones. They are trying their best on making it go smoothly. The fireman and LT's are very helpful, but want you to follow every direction to the tee. Hope this helps......

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFwnt2b View Post
    Just to give people a heads up, the medical exam consists of these things:
    Urine test, EKG, hearing, stair mill, blood, Tuberculosis shot, eye exam, mask breathing, pretty much in that order, or close to it. I don't think I'm missing anything, but if I am, these are the ones you remember the most. LOL
    Remember to listen to every direction closely, even the little ones. They are trying their best on making it go smoothly. The fireman and LT's are very helpful, but want you to follow every direction to the tee. Hope this helps......
    I am assuming you went to yours? Can you tell us what range your list # is in?

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