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    When does Bloomburg come up for re-election? seems like he's been in there for a while. Maybe, those of us who are city residents (not me unfortunately) can pressure a new mayor candidate to focus on supporting the fire dept, public safety in general. I mean, im sure there's got to be at least 10-15,000 new yorkers who tested, multiply that by 2-3 for family members and/or friends and the numbers can add up..voices will be heard. I'm just saying, something to focus on and be constructive in the mean time while we wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    When does Bloomburg come up for re-election? seems like he's been in there for a while. Maybe, those of us who are city residents (not me unfortunately) can pressure a new mayor candidate to focus on supporting the fire dept, public safety in general. I mean, im sure there's got to be at least 10-15,000 new yorkers who tested, multiply that by 2-3 for family members and/or friends and the numbers can add up..voices will be heard. I'm just saying, something to focus on and be constructive in the mean time while we wait.
    This was his third term. He changed term limits to allow him self a third term, hes out of office After he serves this term.
    One supposed reason he wants to close so many firehouses is because this year had the least deaths by fire since 1913. As society becomes more advanced, newer safer electronics and standards for electrical equipment , less fires and less need for so many operating fire houses. I doubt they wil close any. But they will not open any new ones.
    Hopefully the next mayor is big on public safety .
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    i think all the serious mayoral candidates are pro-fire. councilwoman quinn would be the best case scenario for the dept, but who knows if their tune changes once theyre in office and have some tough decisions to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner09 View Post
    What magic did you conjure up to get this info?
    Get off your high horse. I never stated anything as Fact.what's your need to correct me and tell me what's right or wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonhurstlovesme View Post
    Get off your high horse. I never stated anything as Fact.what's your need to correct me and tell me what's right or wrong?


    I never assumed that was a fact. But now that you mention it.....you stated it as a fact.
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    Just a few key points.

    Don't speculate on the numbers, percentages, and statistics. All of them can be conjured and skewed in a way to serve the judge, politicians, and whomever else wants a piece of the FDNY cake.

    Don't think you are out of the process if you get more than one wrong and don't think you'll still be in the process if you get all of them right after you see your exams on the protest session. This won't be the game changer but rather puts you in a positive or negative mindset, remember the positive thinking equals positive outcomes. The last part and final grade are the true method, and however quixotic this seems, it is all part of the greatest maze you'll see in all public safety services.

    Finally, do not DO NOT speculate on the numbers here as a million factors contribute to what happens. We are forgetting that the 5th man is still in litigation and now the judge has opened up backpay to those who felt descriminated in past tests, so stay ahead of the game here and see where the chips fall but don't think you'll have all the answers beforehand.

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    That "One wrong" part just made me more nervous. I am hoping that margin for error is larger this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vekdoggs75 View Post
    I think the mayor's recent budget proposal will speak volumes on that idea. He is trying once again to close 20 firehouses so if those stay open then that's a believable figure of hiring. If they close then this list will be sparingly used in my opinion. Also I think we should focus on the Judge approving the exam which I don't see happening until they set up a list and he can see how diverse that 1st class would likely be.
    What if the list for the first few classes or the top of the list is diverse but many of the minorities lose interest or weren't serious to begin with. I wonder if his Honor will still count it as good enough.
    I also wonder if the list doesn't work out right away, if and when the general public will ever hear the real story of the merit system and realize that there isn't an old irish guy behind a desk reading resumes and throwing out the ones belonging to non whites, but an actual department that produces lists. I hate this headline bull****.

    On another note when the hell is Bloomberg out of office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tone 718 View Post
    I was watching fox 5 news this morning ,they said that there looking to hire 3,500 within the next 4 years ....I hoping this is true !!!
    You watch Fox news? according to the Vulcans in court and the judge that proves you are in fact a racist. They also taught me that the Fire Dept if full of irish men, who we all know drink and beat their wives.


    Edit:not my words, actually what the vulcans said on the stand.

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    I'm just curious, with all the vulcans say to basically slam the department and their fellow firefighter, doesn't that create serious animosity on the job ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBorn View Post
    What if the list for the first few classes or the top of the list is diverse but many of the minorities lose interest or weren't serious to begin with. I wonder if his Honor will still count it as good enough.
    I also wonder if the list doesn't work out right away, if and when the general public will ever hear the real story of the merit system and realize that there isn't an old irish guy behind a desk reading resumes and throwing out the ones belonging to non whites, but an actual department that produces lists. I hate this headline bull****.

    On another note when the hell is Bloomberg out of office?
    Bloomberg's original inaugaration was on NYE of '01 - believe Rudy's term was extended by a few weeks because of 9/11 so 12 years from then would 2013. I really don't know what this judge is going to think or how he's going to figure out whether or not this list is acceptable by his high and mighty standards. All I will say is that the first class better be at least 30-35% minority because our class in '09 was like 20-25% I believe and that wasn't good enough for him.

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    Fdny critics got what they want: A record number of African-Americans, nearly 8,200, took the recent firefighter exam — nearly double the figure in 2007.
    So far, so good.
    But a key question lingers: Will jobs be offered to applicants who scored the highest on the exam — or to those who help fill an extremist judge’s racial quota?
    The answer (no exaggeration) could make a life-or-death difference.
    Fact is, there are few places where merit and skill matter more than in the fire service. Seconds count.
    And, trapped in a blaze, New Yorkers don’t care about a firefighter’s skin color; they want the person who’s most qualified to save them to be on the job.
    Yet Brooklyn federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis thinks that’s simply irrelevant.
    A few years back, Garaufis all but named himself fire commissioner, claiming the test and the department discriminated against blacks (although he offered absolutely nothing to back up his claim).
    Garaufis hired a “special master,” ex-US Attorney Mary Jo White, to work with the city to design a test “fairer” to minorities; that exam was given this spring.
    Meanwhile, the city redoubled efforts to recruit minorities — although, for all the time and money spent, it’s not clear how effective that’s been: The surge in black test-takers, after all, paralleled that of non-blacks who took it.
    Yet, the exam — for whatever reason — certainly generated an ample number of black applicants to vie for openings.
    The question now is, will they be chosen based on their scores — or their skin?
    Garaufis is to decide how to proceed and who, if anyone, gets job offers after the results, and the racial make-up of the top scorers, are known this fall (itself a skewed process that elevates race over merit).
    He may opt, for example, to force the city to hire some blacks who score lower than whites, or to scrap the test altogether, as he did with the last one.
    Of course, Garaufis long ago put his racialist agenda ahead of the safety and well-being of New Yorkers.
    For better or for worse, he wrote the rules for this latest test.
    But will he follow them, no matter the outcome?
    That remains to be seen.

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    FINALLY! FINALLY!

    Someone GETS IT!!!! Today there is a great article in the NY POST about the King himself.......


    It basically states Gaurafis finally got a decent turnout with minorities,, but actually states that more non minorities took the exam as well so basically the applicant pool for minorities is THE SAME!!!!! It goes on to state the fact that minorities STILL have to score well on the test!!!! If they dont??? Then what???? Will it be a matter of just skin color getting the job????? or will it be the same results as the last time in 2007???!?!?!? With only the true hard working minorities getting to fill positions!!!


    You made your F%^&N BED GAURAFIS........NOW YOU BETTER LIE IN THAT **** YOU MOTHA JUMPA!!!!!

    YOU CAUSE ALL THIS BULL*****!!!!!! NOW WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PAY THE PIPER......WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO>>>>???????????????????



    IM DONE WITH THIS *****

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33017 View Post
    FINALLY! FINALLY!

    Someone GETS IT!!!! Today there is a great article in the NY POST about the King himself.......


    It basically states Gaurafis finally got a decent turnout with minorities,, but actually states that more non minorities took the exam as well so basically the applicant pool for minorities is THE SAME!!!!! It goes on to state the fact that minorities STILL have to score well on the test!!!! If they dont??? Then what???? Will it be a matter of just skin color getting the job????? or will it be the same results as the last time in 2007???!?!?!? With only the true hard working minorities getting to fill positions!!!


    You made your F%^&N BED GAURAFIS........NOW YOU BETTER LIE IN THAT **** YOU MOTHA JUMPA!!!!!

    YOU CAUSE ALL THIS BULL*****!!!!!! NOW WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PAY THE PIPER......WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO>>>>???????????????????



    IM DONE WITH THIS *****
    Preaching to the choir pal...

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    Is the judge racist? He makes it sound like minorities can't pass a test. If I was working for an equal rights group, I would take as a slam to what our group was trying to accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHHC08 View Post
    Is the judge racist? He makes it sound like minorities can't pass a test. If I was working for an equal rights group, I would take as a slam to what our group was trying to accomplish.
    Yup, seems like the Vulcan's and judge are fine with saying that as long as it gets them better numbers. Which aside from the absurdity of giving someone a crutch that they dont need, the Vulcan's MO is there has been some clandestine conspiracy involving the city and the FDNY to keep blacks out of the fire dept. The city can't even clean up after a snow storm but its behind in the biggest conspiracy ever hahaha. Love all the evidence they've shown to back up these insane claims from day 1.

    *deep breath* Anyway, wasnt today the first day of protest reviews?

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    Fire Department aces the test in minority recruitment*
    Record numbers of blacks, Latinos, Asians and women took most recent hiring exam

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    Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 4:15 AM


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    BERMAN, MICHAEL SCOTT, FREELANCE/BERMAN, MICHAEL SCOTT, FREELANCE
    Brooklyn Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis needs to back off and let the Fire Department do its job.

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    Now that the Fire Department has done a bangup job recruiting minorities and women to take its hiring exam, Brooklyn Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis will have only himself to blame if the FDNY’s ranks fail to become more diverse.

    Commissioner Sal Cassano on Tuesday released the ethnic and gender breakdown of the applicants who sat for the test administered over the past six weeks. Compared with the cohort that took the previous exam, in 2007, the stats were remarkable:

    -8,186 blacks, up from 3,855.

    -9,582 Hispanics, up from 4,026.

    -1,314 Asians, up from 464.

    As for women, the turnout was an amazing 1,952 — more than the total number who took the three prior tests.

    The climb in minority and female applicants accelerated a trend that began five years ago, when the city began aggressively talking up the FDNY as an employer in minority communities across the city.

    One result was that minority representation on the force began to rise — although not as much as Garaufis deemed satisfactory.

    Presiding over a suit alleging that past tests were biased, he ruled, unbelievably and against all evidence, that the city had intentionally discriminated against blacks. Then Garaufis used his finding to take control of drawing up a new exam, the one just given. He also appointed a high-priced monitor to oversee all aspects of departmental hiring.

    Garaufis’ orders were so overreaching that city lawyers took the extraordinary step of asking an appeals court to remove him from the case. This would be a good idea.

    In the meantime, the judge should start thinking about the hiring list that will be posted once the exam is scored.

    Will he hold himself in contempt of his own court as a man who intentionally discriminated in the event that the racial makeup at the top of the hiring list produces only an incremental increase in the number of blacks offered jobs?

    Your Honor, a consistent application of justice would call for such a conclusion, no?

    In all likelihood, Garaufis will escape that sort of embarrassment because the city did him a huge favor in dramatically expanding the applicant pool.

    While toying with imposing quota hiring, Garaufis had refused to accept the proposition that the surest and fairest way to boost the FDNY’s minority ranks is to encourage more minorities to apply for jobs.

    That has now happened to a remarkable degree, with all applicants placed on even footing in taking a test drawn up under the supervision of a special master appointed by Garaufis in consultation with the city, the association of black firefighters and the Justice Department.

    Thanks to the city’s good work, the FDNY is on the path to diversification. The department’s self-styled saviors must not get in the way.



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    FDNY reports huge increase in number of women and minorities taking written test
    Surge comes after federal discrimination lawsuit and big recruiting effort by city to attract minorities to the FNDY

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    Tuesday, May 8, 2012, 8:53 PM


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    Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano says a record number of blacks, Hispanics and women took the FDNY written exam.
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    A record number of minority candidates took the FDNY written exam this year, which was overhauled in response to a federal discrimination lawsuit, officials said Tuesday.

    Of the 42,161 test-takers, nearly half were women and people of color, said Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano. The number of blacks and Hispanics who took the test more than doubled compared to 2007, the last time the written test was given.

    “With the effort we had, we got numbers that reflected that effort,” Cassano said.

    The commissioner was referring to an extensive recruitment campaign undertaken after Brooklyn Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis ruled that two prior written exams were biased against minorities. He said the city had discriminated for decades against minorities seeking employment in the FDNY.

    A court-ordered monitor is now overseeing the department’s testing and hiring procedures.

    More than $1 million was spent on advertising. The city used social media, and FDNY personnel staffed 6,000 events.

    There was a strong showing of female candidates, with more women taking this year’s test than the previous three tests combined.

    Officials hope the exam will ultimately produce an eligible pool of 3,500 firefighters — and boost the number of blacks and Hispanics in the predominantly white ranks.

    The number of blacks taking the test more than doubled from 3,855 to 8,186, but the percentage of blacks in the exam was virtually the same. Black test-takers made up 18% of the candidates in 2007 and 19% of this year’s applicants who actually took the test.

    More than 4,500 blacks who paid the $30 fee were no-shows for the test, a 36% attrition rate compared to 26% for whites.

    An FDNY official said the no-shows have to take responsibility for their absence because they were emailed reminders in advance of the exam and also offered makeup dates.

    John Coombs, president of the Vulcan Society of black firefighters, which was a party to the suit brought by the Justice Department, said the test numbers are encouraging, but followup is needed to convince minorities they are welcome in the department.

    “Just to have a lot of people take exams doesn’t translate into a lot of people becoming firefighters,” Coombs said Tuesday at a Harlem firehouse.

    jmarzulli@nydailynews.com



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    Quote Originally Posted by sffdnyhopeful09 View Post
    Will he hold himself in contempt of his own court as a man who intentionally discriminated in the event that the racial makeup at the top of the hiring list produces only an incremental increase in the number of blacks offered jobs?

    Your Honor, a consistent application of justice would call for such a conclusion, no?
    Lol, thats a good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHHC08 View Post
    Is the judge racist? He makes it sound like minorities can't pass a test. If I was working for an equal rights group, I would take as a slam to what our group was trying to accomplish.

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    Doesnt he just look like the type of guy who loves black girls? i think so

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    Anybody going to the exam review in Brooklyn 5/12 at 4:00?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonhurstlovesme View Post
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    Doesnt he just look like the type of guy who loves black girls? i think so
    I can't even look at this picture without grinding my teeth - The most irritating of them all is dickwod Coombs and his bow ties. Who the F wears those things that takes themselves seriously??????

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    garaufis can eat a dick. making everyone wait for results like they can afford to do that. 3500 out of 40000 arent good odds. especially since i dont get residency credit. people are going to come out of these protests even more mind ****ed because they still wont know about the personality part. not being negative just realistic at this point. but i guess well see right?

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    Guys, Let's keep it professional on here. I know emotions are high but posting this kind of stuff helps nobody. Whether we like it or not, everything that is posted here ultimately represents us as FDNY hopefuls. People from around the world can come on here and form an opinion on us based on what is posted. Don't dishonor the FDNY name with this stuff.


    Also, I'm sure most of us have heard about Chief DiBernardo and his fight to get his son's death to be considered line of duty-sign this petition to help the cause.

    Human Rights Petition: NEVER FORGET - Include FDNY Black Sunday Hero, Rescue 3 Lt. Joey DiBernardo's on the FDNY's "Wall of Heroes" | Change.org

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    I truly believe that this whole thing that has been going on with the FDNY, from the judges ruling, to the creation of the new test, is all about one thing: MONEY. Race is a perfect factor to throw in here because everyone will focus on it since it is such a touchy subject, while somebody in the background is getting a payout. How many people are involved with this law suit? How much did the creation of the new test cost? And who is all of this payed by? Definitely not by the taxpayers, or wait - it is!

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