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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I think most members of the fire service believe in using SCBA on car fires.

    In fact, it I think it would be quite impossible to justify not using them.
    It's actually pretty easy.....

    Don't stand in the smoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    It's actually pretty easy.....

    Don't stand in the smoke.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    It's actually pretty easy.....

    Don't stand in the smoke.
    So tell me how you effect final extinguishment and overhaul while staying out of the smoke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    So tell me how you effect final extinguishment and overhaul while staying out of the smoke?
    Master stream form a 105 foot platform.

    But I'd probably still wear an air pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwright367 View Post
    Master stream form a 105 foot platform.

    But I'd probably still wear an air pack.
    Don't laugh. I used to use a similar tactic for dumpster fires. Standoff a suitable distance. And master stream the dumpster with 500 gal. Punch two drain holes with a pickhead axe and voila. The only hassle was refilling the tank at the nearest hydrant. Used it dozens of times with never a rekindle.

    No hose to drain, roll, and reload. No smoke exposure. And we were on our way in 15m max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Don't laugh. I used to use a similar tactic for dumpster fires. Standoff a suitable distance. And master stream the dumpster with 500 gal. Punch two drain holes with a pickhead axe and voila. The only hassle was refilling the tank at the nearest hydrant. Used it dozens of times with never a rekindle.

    No hose to drain, roll, and reload. No smoke exposure. And we were on our way in 15m max.
    Why so much effort? I have just "filled up dumpsters" before....No drain holes. Let the pooling water do your overhaul for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Why so much effort? I have just "filled up dumpsters" before....No drain holes. Let the pooling water do your overhaul for you!
    I'm a sucker for going easy on trash truck hydraulics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I'm a sucker for going easy on trash truck hydraulics.
    Is that like the Greaseman and "cooking with hydraulics?"
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    Our driver wear's his SCBA even while driving. After all, the smoke may blow in the open window....
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    Quote Originally Posted by River Firefighter715 View Post
    How Does everyone feel air pack or no air pack on a car fire?
    That little book SOP/SOG thingy the brass gave you, its time to actually read it before you go to your first car fire and find out why you need an SCBA.

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    As of today I have a new mantra:

    When in doubt, wear SCBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by River Firefighter715 View Post
    How Does everyone feel air pack or no air pack on a car fire?
    why NOT wear it? Complacency kills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Don't laugh. I used to use a similar tactic for dumpster fires. Standoff a suitable distance. And master stream the dumpster with 500 gal. Punch two drain holes with a pickhead axe and voila. The only hassle was refilling the tank at the nearest hydrant. Used it dozens of times with never a rekindle.

    No hose to drain, roll, and reload. No smoke exposure. And we were on our way in 15m max.
    Work smarter, not harder! I leave them full too, but I call the company to let them know its full of water. Not sure if that weight would damage the garbage truck or not. They sometimes have a drain hole that can be unscrewed, but a pickhead to the side works even better. They usually have to scrap it anyways.

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    Car fires, dumpster fires SCBA is better than breathing the unknowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    So tell me how you effect final extinguishment and overhaul while staying out of the smoke?
    Even a booster will shoot water far enough that you don't have to get inside the car to put it out.

    If you find yourself in the smoke, say "white rabbit" 3 times fast. Didn't you learn anything in summer camp or were you the kid roasting marshmellows in the SCBA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Even a booster will shoot water far enough that you don't have to get inside the car to put it out.

    If you find yourself in the smoke, say "white rabbit" 3 times fast. Didn't you learn anything in summer camp or were you the kid roasting marshmellows in the SCBA?
    I understand that you don't want to take this seriously and that is cool I suppose. I will however continue to wear my SCBA as I am only a couple years away from retirement and cancer or some other horrible disease is not going to ruin my retirement because I can't be bothered to mask up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I understand that you don't want to take this seriously and that is cool I suppose. I will however continue to wear my SCBA as I am only a couple years away from retirement and cancer or some other horrible disease is not going to ruin my retirement because I can't be bothered to mask up.

    Have a nice day and stay safe.
    When I was a probie, some of the "old salts" gave me a ration of excremental matter because I masked up at car and dumpster fires.

    Sadly, many of them are gone due to cancer... and that was a lesson they taught that I will never forget.

    I thoroughly intend to get every penny I put into the pension system out of it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp;
    I understand that you don't want to take this seriously and that is cool I suppose. I will however continue to wear my SCBA as I am only a couple years away from retirement and cancer or some other horrible disease is not going to ruin my retirement because I can't be bothered to mask up.

    Have a nice day and stay safe.
    Rightfully so. That is more of my point. I may or may not use it, may or may not wear a seatbelt, may or may not wear an NFPA compliant helmet.

    The point of the matter is none of those decisions will affect you or anyone else. Save the preaching for the pulpit.
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    DeputyChiefGonzo.....You beat me to it. I've been yelled at in my early days by "The Old Heads" to get in there and fight the fire instead of donning my SCBA. Now they are all gone with most to Cancer.....To this day I tell all of our Firefighters to "Pack Up" so they can enjoy their retirement like I have....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Rightfully so. That is more of my point. I may or may not use it, may or may not wear a seatbelt, may or may not wear an NFPA compliant helmet.

    The point of the matter is none of those decisions will affect you or anyone else. Save the preaching for the pulpit.
    You are right in that it doesn't affect me one bit what you do. In fact I will go so far as to tell you I really couldn't care less what YOU do.

    But to me, the impression that you give that it is unnecessary to wear SCBA for a car fire, or a dumpster fire, is dangerous in today's world and every bit as wrong as some of the overzealous safety stuff that people rant at LA about. I believe we have a duty to teach those coming up the proper and safe way to do things and wearing an SCBA for a car fire is one of those things.

    I know you will find some way to attempt to ridicule my opinion, and you may call it preaching if you choose. Either way it doesn't bother me. I am not going to expose myself to toxic gasses, or teach others to expose themselves to toxic gasses because I am too lazy, or too cool, or too macho, or too old school, to wear proper PPE at an incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp;
    You are right in that it doesn't affect me one bit what you do. In fact I will go so far as to tell you I really couldn't care less what YOU do.

    But to me, the impression that you give that it is unnecessary to wear SCBA for a car fire, or a dumpster fire, is dangerous in today's world and every bit as wrong as some of the overzealous safety stuff that people rant at LA about. I believe we have a duty to teach those coming up the proper and safe way to do things and wearing an SCBA for a car fire is one of those things.

    I know you will find some way to attempt to ridicule my opinion, and you may call it preaching if you choose. Either way it doesn't bother me. I am not going to expose myself to toxic gasses, or teach others to expose themselves to toxic gasses because I am too lazy, or too cool, or too macho, or too old school, to wear proper PPE at an incident.

    Have a nice day and stay safe.
    You guessed wrong. I am not ridiculing anyone. I answered the question - don't stand in the smoke and you don't need an SCBA. The same reason that engine drivers at house fires don't pack nor even don turnouts.

    Oh, and another answer to a previous question - hold your breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    You guessed wrong. I am not ridiculing anyone. I answered the question - don't stand in the smoke and you don't need an SCBA. The same reason that engine drivers at house fires don't pack nor even don turnouts.

    Oh, and another answer to a previous question - hold your breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    You guessed wrong. I am not ridiculing anyone. I answered the question - don't stand in the smoke and you don't need an SCBA. The same reason that engine drivers at house fires don't pack nor even don turnouts.

    Oh, and another answer to a previous question - hold your breath.
    So are you saying you don't overhaul car fires at all other than hydraulically at a distance? Because unless that is what you are saying it is IMPOSSIBLE to stay out of the smoke or toxic gases.

    I'll tell that to the MPO of the rig I am on that wished our Captain hadn't given his mask away at a mutual aid fire. Where he set the rig was smoke free until the wind changed. He blew black crap out of his nose and coughed up more for the rest of the shift.

    Hold your breath? Seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    So are you saying you don't overhaul car fires at all other than hydraulically at a distance? Because unless that is what you are saying it is IMPOSSIBLE to stay out of the smoke or toxic gases.

    I'll tell that to the MPO of the rig I am on that wished our Captain hadn't given his mask away at a mutual aid fire. Where he set the rig was smoke free until the wind changed. He blew black crap out of his nose and coughed up more for the rest of the shift.

    Hold your breath? Seriously?
    See now what you do is get all your guys lined up, When the guy on the bale can't hold his breath any longer he hands it to the next guy.

    Which of course is holding his breath to.

    You can also put a fog tip on the deck gun so you can push the smoke away from the pump panel.

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