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    Quote Originally Posted by volfireman034 View Post
    The other two really arenít big on having more than just one engine because they donít want to have extras in the way and donít see a need for more than two 1 Ĺ hoses. But there open to change if I can show them how most other departments do it and the reason they do. So any suggestions and background would also help.
    Explain to them that if there are people getting in the way to stop sending the Chiefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memphise34a View Post
    explain to them that if there are people getting in the way to stop sending the chiefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Explain to them that if there are people getting in the way to stop sending the Chiefs.

    Problem solved.
    Works every time!


    We're similar to Tree68. We get dispatched to a fire, and it's a full station response- 2 engines and a quint, plus a squad/utility. We also get Auto aid from two of our 3 closest neighbors- usually an engine and a rescue, plus an engine. The other neighbor usually fills in on receipt of a "working fire". The local combo ambulance is also toned out for a rig, and usually the ALS tech, too. So, assuming drivers for all:

    3-4 engines, 1 truck, 1 rescue, and 1 ambulance and fly car. Plus whatever Chiefs are available. ( most depts in our area will send a chief to all m/a requests as well as the requested apparatus.) For a single family res. Target hazards get another ladder plus- depending upon the individual pre-plan.

    You can always adjust as conditions demand. Smaller jobs will see 1 a/a dept diverted to fill in, and the other downsized to one engine, or cancelled/ stand by in quarters. (depending on the manpower situ that day) For Big jobs, you can simply request engines/ trucks, for example, and the ECD will tone out the closest available, or you can request specific depts/units.

    ALL of us are volunteer. Two of us have a daytime paid guy, and the ambulance has a paid day crew as well as a paid paramedic. So manpower varies widely... Of our three most frequent m/a partners, only one owns a ladder- so ours gets requested a lot. Crew cabs, mostly 6 man, are pretty standard here- though a couple of our neighbors have a rig with a 2 door cab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volfireman034 View Post
    I'm trying to write and update SOG's for four fire departments and I'm looking to see how many engines companies, truck companies, tankers and rescues to be in the first assignment. All areas are rural districts, mostly one and two story houses under 2500 sq. ft. 90% of water supply is tanker shuttle. Two of the fire departments are very progressive and believe in having at least four apparatus plus tankers. The other two really aren’t big on having more than just one engine because they don’t want to have extras in the way and don’t see a need for more than two 1 Ĺ hoses. But there open to change if I can show them how most other departments do it and the reason they do. So any suggestions and background would also help.
    So many variables... depends on what the alarm type is also....

    We don't do "box alarms" around here. Although, I think its a concept worth exploring. Expecting many VFD's to field a first alarm response during a weekday is asking for a lot in most parts of the country (except in Harve's neck of the woods!).

    I would look at what they do in the mid-west.

    Google "MABAS" and do some digging. They really have their stuff together out there.

    With all that said... we change our response depending on the water source (tanker or hydrant) and if it is a commercial/multi-family or single family dwelling.

    We have 3 engines, a ladder, a tender and a utility. See below for the order of response. All are rolling out of one firehouse.

    Single Family Dwelling (no hydrant) 3 engines>tender>ladder>utility
    SFD (hydrant) 3 engines>ladder>utility

    MultiFamily 1Engine>ladder>2 engines>utility
    Commercial (w/hydrant) same as above

    Of course, non-fire calls also get a slightly different response... etc.
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    In philly on a tactical box it`s 2 engines,2 ladders 1 cheif. On full box 4 engines 2 ladders 2 chief rescue or squad company medic unit then depending on the number of companies put in service you get your R.I.T, Dep. cheif and so on

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    Quote Originally Posted by philly10 View Post
    In philly on a tactical box it`s 2 engines,2 ladders 1 cheif. On full box 4 engines 2 ladders 2 chief rescue or squad company medic unit then depending on the number of companies put in service you get your R.I.T, Dep. cheif and so on
    When is a tactical box sent v. a full box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    When is a tactical box sent v. a full box?
    depends on the volume of 911 calls or when the first due company or chief get on scene the can upgrade from tactical to full box (called striking out the box)

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    Structure fire, 2 engines, 2 tankers, 2 more tankers automatic aid, and a medic.
    Natural cover fire, 1 engine, 2 brush trucks.

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    At home, we're a primarily rural county that consists of five independent volunteer companies that are overseen by the county's career fire chief. Although we're independent of one another, we operate as one department, providing automatic aid to one another daily, cleared to drive one another's rigs, etc.

    A structural assignment for us gets three engines, three tankers, the rescue company, and an ambulance. Our SOP for structural calls is well defined and practiced:
    • First engine goes to the scene as the attack engine
    • Second engine goes to the scene to draft from a portable pond and supply the attack engine
    • Third engine never goes to the scene, it automatically locates the nearest hydrant (generally a dry hydrant, could be a pressurized hydrant) and establishes a tanker fill site.

    Each station has one engine, one tanker, and one EMS vehicle, plus we have various support vehicles spread throughout the county. Therefore, it's a minimum of three stations responding for a working fire.

    Having the second engine at the the scene does provide redundancy and back-up in case there's an equipment failure, it also provides you with additional personnel.
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    Sounds like your demographics are very similar to ours.
    Box Alarm:
    Hydrant area- 4 Engines, 1 Truck, 1 BLS Transport Unit
    Non-Hydrant area- 4 Engines, 1 Truck, 4 Tankers, 1 BLS Transport Unit.

    We have predesignated running assignments based on order of arrival on scene.

    1st arriving engine, lay a supply line (leave room for Truck if its not there yet) to Side A for fire attack
    2nd arriving engine, pick up supply line, Back up 1st arriving engine with a second line. If non-hydrant, prepare dump tank site when first tanker arrives. First tanker may "nurse" the first arriving engine while dump tanks are being set up, or may drop the dump tank immediately and offload to begin a shuttle. Second arriving engine does the draft from the tanks and supplies via the supply line layed out by first arriving engine.
    3rd arriving engine, RIT
    4th arriving engine, lay a supply line if needed and take Side C.

    Truck company takes Side A.

    If a unit responds "understaffed" (less than 3 personnel) it is automatically supplemented by dispatching the next like unit.

    If it is a working fire, our "Working Fire Task Force" brings another Engine (and Tanker for non-hydrant), another Truck, an ALS resource, and an air unit. These units are assigned duties by the Incident Commander when they arrive on scene.
    Additional alarms mimic the first alarm assignment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    We don't do "box alarms" around here. Although, I think its a concept worth exploring. Expecting many VFD's to field a first alarm response during a weekday is asking for a lot in most parts of the country (except in Harve's neck of the woods!)
    Which is exactly why we do the "box card" system. It's easier (and more realistic) to get three engines from three separate firehouses or departments, than it is for one department to man and send three pieces. We run on theirs automatically, they run on ours automatically. Works nicely too if someone "scratches" (cannot field the manpower and cannot respond.) They just pick up the phone to dispatch, and tell them "This is xyz, we're not going to make it, send the next due." And all dispatch has to do is que the next due company in the computer and dispatch them.

    Is also nice if command needs something, maybe another engine or truck....All he has to do is ask for the next due. No thinking. Just ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Which is exactly why we do the "box card" system. It's easier (and more realistic) to get three engines from three separate firehouses or departments, than it is for one department to man and send three pieces. We run on theirs automatically, they run on ours automatically. Works nicely too if someone "scratches" (cannot field the manpower and cannot respond.) They just pick up the phone to dispatch, and tell them "This is xyz, we're not going to make it, send the next due." And all dispatch has to do is que the next due company in the computer and dispatch them.

    Is also nice if command needs something, maybe another engine or truck....All he has to do is ask for the next due. No thinking. Just ask.
    I guess the concern is always about the training, tactics, etc...

    Are these sort of issues standardized?
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    We're a member of MABAS (www.mabas-il.org) and use their standardized box cards. All-volunteer department with all volunteer departments for any mutual aid.


    Initial Response:
    Typically two fully-staffed (5 FFs) engines, possibly third with 3-4 from our sister station
    One tanker if rural
    Brush truck with air cascade trailer if hydranted


    First Alarm:
    Two additional Engines
    Two additional Tankers
    One Truck

    Second Alarm:
    Two additional Engines
    Two additional Tankers
    One additional Truck

    Third Alarm:
    Two additional Engines (One from neighboring large career department)
    Two additional Tankers
    One additional Air Cascade
    One additional Truck (from neighboring large career department)
    One Battalion Chief (from neighboring large career department)


    Typically we're able to field 10-15 of our own guys on the initial page, along with 4-5 from our sister station. If radio traffic seems to indicate that we're going to have a small response, the ranking officer will usually strike the first alarm pretty quickly. Our Chief wanted automatic aid from a neighboring department and vice versa, but our district trustees wouldn't go for it for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFMedic31 View Post
    Our Chief wanted automatic aid from a neighboring department and vice versa, but our district trustees wouldn't go for it for some reason.
    Sounds like a stupid thing to hold back on... god forbid they are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Sounds like a stupid thing to hold back on... god forbid they are wrong.
    ^^^^ Bingo
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    For hydrant supply areas we send the following to a "reported" structure fire: 3 engines, 1 truck (2nd asked for if it is an apartment/hotel/etc), 2 Bat Chiefs, 1 rescue, 1 Med unit. If it is a worker, a cascade rescue and second rescue is dispatched.

    For non-hydrant area's, we send the above, as well as 2 tankers on a "reported" structure fire. Depending on location, and it is a worker, MA tankers "may" be dispatched. Discretion of the OIC.

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    My fire district is located in a urban area with heavy commercial, residential, and farm land. We are career and have automatic mutual aid. The bad part in the following list is that we are one of the only area in our side of the county that has farm land there for the closetest tanker is 35 miles away the rest are further.

    ---1st alarm residential 4 engines, 1 ladder and 1 als unit. 12-18 personnel on scene
    ---1st alarm commercial 4 engines, 2 ladders and 1 als unit. 16-20 personnel on scene
    ---Each additional alarm get 4 more companies including 1 ladder.
    ---Arrivial on scene of working fire additionial als unit is requested.
    ---We have B/C'sassigned to an engine with four men but stay out and take command of incident.
    ---Any highway incident get 2 trucks if mvc or ems add als unit
    ---Vehicle rescue gets1 ladder with rescue equipment, 1 rescue pumper and als unit.
    ---Fire alarms get 1 truck and 1 engine
    ---Misc stills depending on call recieved.
    ---Life threats 1 company and als unit.

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    We're also rural and tanker. In fact 100% tanker at present including on our small town.

    All vehicles will roll to the scene: pumper, CAFS Pumper/tanker, tanker, and a type 5 wildland/EMS truck. A confirmed structure fire will automatic dispatch a mutual aid pumper to draft/tanker fill at our fire reservoir which is located at the edge of town, a tanker, and manpower. If needed, can go get our mobile cascade trailer.

    Have been working on getting a MABAS box card system implemented (finding considerable resistance from other FD and dispatch) where each additional pumper will also call for 3x additional tankers.

    Will soon have an LDH hose wagon so will be able to lay 5000ft 6" (AFG project) for in town fires. Or rural for fires that are within range of our dry hydrants, ponds, or the stream that runs lengthwise thru the district.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volfireman034 View Post
    I'm trying to write and update SOG's for four fire departments and I'm looking to see how many engines companies, truck companies, tankers and rescues to be in the first assignment. All areas are rural districts, mostly one and two story houses under 2500 sq. ft. 90% of water supply is tanker shuttle. Two of the fire departments are very progressive and believe in having at least four apparatus plus tankers. The other two really aren’t big on having more than just one engine because they don’t want to have extras in the way and don’t see a need for more than two 1 Ĺ hoses. But there open to change if I can show them how most other departments do it and the reason they do. So any suggestions and background would also help.







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    In addition to providing basic fire and emergency services, trained teams are in place for technical rescue, hazardous materials, and swift-water rescue situations. The department’s own Fire Academy provides training far beyond state requirements and all firefighters receive further emergency medical care throughout their career at GCFES. All emergency response vehicles are staffed with EMTs and paramedics and carry essential medical equipment for advanced life support.


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    3A Alarm at an apartment 1 Engine and 1 Truck
    3B Alarm at a business 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    3CO Carbon monoxide alarm 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    3H Alarm at a hospital 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Battalion Chief
    3M Medical alarm 1 Medic or 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    3R Alarm at a residence 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    3S Alarm at a school 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Battalion Chief
    5 Bomb threat 1 Engine or 1 Truck 1 Battalion Chief
    6 Explosive located 1 Engine or 1 Truck 1 Battalion Chief
    7 Explosion 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    19A Smoke odor in an apartment 1 Engine and 1 Truck
    19B Smoke odor in a business 1 Engine and 1 Truck
    19H Smoke odor in a hospital 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Battalion Chief
    19R Smoke odor in a residence 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    19S Smoke odor in a school 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Battalion Chief
    31 Wires down 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    33A Apartment fire 3 Engines, 2 Trucks, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS, Division 1, and an additional Engine or Truck
    33B Business fire 3 Engines, 2 Trucks, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS, Division 1, and an additional Engine or Truck
    33BV Burn violation 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    33D Dumpster fire 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    33H Hospital/High Rise fire 4 Engines, 2 Trucks, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS, Division 1, and an additional Engine or Truck
    33M Marine fire 1 Engine, 1 Truck, Swift Water 14, 1 Medic
    33R Residential fire 2 Engines, 1 Truck, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, 2 Battalion Chiefs, 1 MS, and an additional Engine or Truck
    33S School fire 3 Engines, 2 Trucks, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS, Division 1, and an additional Engine or Truck
    33T Trash fire 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    33TT Tractor trailer fire 2 Engines or 1 Engine and 1 Truck and Water Tender 20 if on I-85
    33V Vehicle fire 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    33W Woods fire 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    36 HazMat Incident 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, HazMat 20, 1 Battalion Chief, and 1 MS
    41I/PI Auto accident with injuries 1 Engine or 1 Truck and 1 Medic unit
    41IC8 Auto accident with injuries with entrapment 1 Engine with jaws, 1 Medic, 1 Battalion Chief, and an additional Engine or Truck
    43I Hit and run with injuries 1 Engine or Truck and 1 Medic
    46I Person hit by auto 1 Engine or Truck and 1 Medic
    47 Drowning 1 Engine, 1 Medic, Engine 14, Truck 14, Swift Water 14, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS and Division 1
    73 Cave-in 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Medic, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS, Air 9, TRT 24, Squad 24, and Division 1
    76 Assist a citizen 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    77 Aircraft down 3 Engines, 1 Truck, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, Water Tender 20, HazMat 20, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS, and Division 1
    79 Train derailment 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Squad, 1 Medic, HazMat 20, 1 Battalion Chief, 1 MS, and Division 1
    89 Wash down 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    92O Gas leak outside 1 Engine or 1 Truck
    92I Gas leak inside 1 Engine, 1 Truck, 1 Battallion Chief

    hope this helps
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