We have poor hydrants in our city limits. So even a working fire in the city is still tanker shuttles. Now our alarm assignments are not specified on HOW many trucks, more of HOW MUCH water these trucks bring to the fire. 1st alarms generally have 12,000 gallons of water being brought to the scene. A couple of departments with poor water in their community also do this. Now because every department has different trucks , the number of trucks vary. Our first alarms have 2 of our pumpers (1000 gal and 1200gal) and 1 tanker (2000gal), then mutual aid we have and additional pumper and 4 tankers. and a squad for additional manpower. Bring the total gallons around 13,200. And 8 trucks to the scene.With an additional pumper moving up on the 1st alarm dispatch. Now in our particular district we only have a handful of 2story houses. And 4 commercial buildings (the largest being a dollar general about 100X40) . And our alarms for commercial buildings have 2 additional pumpers and a ladder truck about 25mins away on it.
Another department about 15miles away only have 2 tankers on their alarm assignments particularly because they and a neighboring dept for them own a "super tanker", 3000gal. So their alarm assignment is roughly only 5 to 6 trucks.
Most still alarms are handled by one pumper and the vehicle accidents are a pumper and a rescue truck. Brush fires are one pumper a brush truck and a brush jeep. We also have a rescue boat that rolls with the rescue truck.
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07-28-2011, 12:17 PM #41Fire scenes: A well organized cluster F......
These are my veiws and opinions.....Im just saying
08-01-2011, 01:05 AM #42
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wow, i feel lucky, in my county anything dispatched as a box, confirmed or not get 5 engines, 2 trucks, and a rescue plus the BC on the dispatch
08-01-2011, 01:21 AM #43
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I wish we had the coordination and cooperation of departments like you guys seem to. We cover 11 sq miles, all sparsely populated city area. No rural. We are bordered by 4 paid departments and one full volly department. Last structure fire I fought was a double wide, partially involved with heavy flames showing through the roof when we showed up, three of us got off the engine, we did not sound a second alarm for our department because most of our guys were out of town, we gave an alarm to the all volly department which was closest and they responded a 2 man engine which arrived around 10 minutes after we arrived on scene. Me and another guy pulled the line and went in the front door, we had one on the pump panel, we carry 1,000 gallons on the engine and when that other department pulled up with their 2 guys on an engine we had the fire out....
A 2 story big residential structure in our area might net us 4 engines and a tanker, maybe a ladder but very unlikely, and never more then 20 personal, most times between 10 and 15 with only 5 on scene for the first 10 minutes. And everything more then the very first engine we have to call for by name, saying we want an engine from this department and a engine from that department and have department X send us a tanker...
The limited manpower we use is stupid around here...I can only wish we got full staffing...
I had posted earlier in this thread we got a mutual aid engine on first alarm....that got cut...lol...its just the three of us getting off the engine now...
08-03-2011, 08:11 PM #44
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Depends on the call of course but if its a confirmed structure fire its gonna get a "full" assignment, 3 engines, 2 trucks, 1 rescue, squads as necessary. No automatic mutual aid on our run cards but we have a very strong mutual aid system around here so we can count on our neighbors to help if needed. If its "just" an auto alarm or something it gets an engine out of each station, commercial auto alarms gets a truck also. MVAs get an engine or two and the rescue. The occasional EMS job gets a squad stuffed with EMTs. (hopefully)
Dept demographics: ~30 square miles, pop: 30k, mix of commercial, residential, and agriculture, 2 stations housing 4 engines, 2 trucks, 1 rescue, 2 squads, all volunteer.
08-04-2011, 12:41 AM #45
We have MABAS in Wisconsin and it's the best thing ever. Everything is already planned out so all you gotta do is request a "second alarm" or higher and they show up. None of this piecemeal requesting at Oh Dark Thirty trying to go through a laundry list of equipment..." I want this from this guy, that from that guy, oh and a this from that guy too."Jason Knecht
Altoona Fire Dept.
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08-04-2011, 09:06 AM #46
We've tried to set up such a system here, and have largely achieved it. However, as a "home rule" state, the county fire coordinator is just that, a coordinator, with little authority, and sometimes that's like herding cats.
There is little consistancy in what has been set up. One locality has five departments coming on a first alarm (go big or go home?), another has only themselves on a first alarm and no extra alarms (every fire is different - we'll call who we need).
Because of liability issues, dispatch has always been reluctant to take it upon themselves to dispatch the next due if somebody doesn't answer up.
For that matter, since we dispatch by station, not apparatus, dispatch really doesn't care what's rolling, only who. It's up to each department to determine what should be on the way, and if you're mutual aid, it's really up to the "home" department to make the call for someone else if somebody can't turn a wheel.Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.
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