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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I will mourn the day that actual "fire" used in training is deemed too dangerous for firefighters to experience.
    What is killing the live-fire exercises around here is not necessarily the intrinsic danger, but the mountains of environmental regulations we have to pass in order to have a live-fire exercise. We've had numerous people state that they'd like us to burn their old barn down - both to get rid of it and as a training endeavor. However, the dept of the environment requires so many modifications be made to it (all wiring and roofing material stripped. Painted shingles removed, piping removed, insulation removed, etc. etc.) that it's barely worth the effort and hassle to go through with it.

    So, liability and environmental regs will continue to cut into training... and then we'll hit a point where we're not really trained to properly tackle a large fire situation. It's insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Prepared to be shocked.

    I fully agree that our personnel are not beiong trained in enough live fires, and that in some cases, training has become too safe.

    My VFD did some live burns in a trailer a few months ago and the guys from my combo department thought we were crazy as it wasn't "NFPA complaint". The fact is we currently do not have a burn building and this was a rare chance for our guys to get some live fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Not only do you own a cool ride, you start decent and civil discussions.......

    Good point above, and that came home a while back when a Rope Drill was rescheduled because the "Air Cushion" gizmo at the Training Academy was out of service due to a Blower Problem. My point to the B/C was that they don't drag the device to calls out in the field................


    (I also pointed out that there were other air filled objects wandering in the area, we should just use one of them. He replied that he didn't want to get their white shirts dirty.)
    Oh how true that is in P.G. County..... I know, cause I'm a volunteer here and going to the county training academy is akin to going to a three ring circus.

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    Firefighting isn't what it used to be. I came into the fire service at the a**** end of what I call the fire boom era. So I got a few burners but nothing along the lines of what the old farts got. True burners are few & far between. A lot of the newer members are coming in w/ big heads & false perceptions. When they train, it's done in type I construction burning w/ hay. You some smoke light heat, but nothing compared to what you'll find in the real deal. & simulators are a joke & an expensive one I might add.

    I'm all for live training. But of course safety is an issue. Don't become lazy, make the necessary precautions & wouldn't see where it would be a problem. But of course NFPA/OSHA & whomever else might say otherwise. The debate continues I'm sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Webb View Post
    Thats what sucks sometimes about working at a slower paced place, Not as much experience as the city gets.
    I have been doing this almost 5 years but there is still alot I have not seen. On top of that we don't have alot of older guys with lots of exp.

    Lack of working alot of fires makes me tend to be over cautious sometimes.
    When you RETIRE,there will still be a LOT you haven't seen. I'm in a moderately busy outfit and just when I think I've seen it all.........Nope,something new just showed up. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    When you RETIRE,there will still be a LOT you haven't seen. I'm in a moderately busy outfit and just when I think I've seen it all.........Nope,something new just showed up. T.C.

    Totally Volunteer Station running 8,000 calls per year........ Black over Yellow Apparatus........ A VFD having "1st Due" responsibilities in a Different State..... Engine laying a supply line from a Hydrant in one County to a Fire across the line in a different County.... Yep, Seen them all, but something new will hit here tomorrow, I'm sure..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Totally Volunteer Station running 8,000 calls per year........ Black over Yellow Apparatus........ A VFD having "1st Due" responsibilities in a Different State..... Engine laying a supply line from a Hydrant in one County to a Fire across the line in a different County.... Yep, Seen them all, but something new will hit here tomorrow, I'm sure..........
    Not to mention your transition from horses to vehicles. That musta been a killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnVBFD View Post
    Not to mention your transition from horses to vehicles. That musta been a killer.
    Wunder if they were painted "School bus"? Bet Harve knows about Coal stoves though,hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnVBFD View Post
    Not to mention your transition from horses to vehicles. That musta been a killer.
    Posted by Rescue 101
    Wunder if they were painted "School bus"? Bet Harve knows about Coal stoves though,hehe T.C.
    The horses were Palominos...
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