Philadelphia 2011

[thatguy123]

they guy told us everything had to be filled out before he would collected it

[roadrunner09]

Well then the only thing I take from that is that they were completely inept in their organizational and communication skills. Whatever the case, I am glad I didn't fill it out.

[thatguy123]

did anyone hear how many people are gonna be hired ?

[philly10]

did anyone hear how many people are gonna be hired ?

they never say but there is alot of guys going out in the next 2 years.But that aslo depends on wether or not they cut more stations

[MFES]

they never say but there is alot of guys going out in the next 2 years.But that aslo depends on wether or not they cut more stations

Is there any more scuttlebutt on that?

[FWDbuff]

Wow......really sounds like all of you guys who took the test need to formally organize a group with each other and consider a lawsuit asking for the test to be thrown out.

[Long Time]

Test had a section that asked your race. Was told to fill out ALL information. Test also asked your residency.

I'm curious what the cut off is. I answered 3 incorrect but, was 100% on the rest. According to the WSI website they determine the cut off by other people(not test takers) on what they scored
Also, if there are many people taking the test they raise the cutoff. Going by that....those 3 I got wrong could be the end for me but, who knows. The 2nd part of the test was interesting.

[urbanwarfare]

I wouldnt worry about the first part. The second part is what will do you in.
That is the part of the test that allows the cities to get around not having a consent decree anymore. Guarantee alot of white males fail this test.

[FWDbuff]

I wouldnt worry about the first part. The second part is what will do you in.
That is the part of the test that allows the cities to get around not having a consent decree anymore. Guarantee alot of white males fail this test.

Tell us all about the second part

[nutts09]

It was not mandatory to fill out the race bubble. One guy in my room asked the proctor and she that it was not. However she did conveniently forget to offer that information on her own.

Well then the only thing I take from that is that they were completely inept in their organizational and communication skills. Whatever the case, I am glad I didn't fill it out.

I am not sure I'd be so glad about leaving ANYTHING blank. If they aren't choosing from a certain demographic, I doubt you fooled them by leaving it blank. More like: "Oh the guy doesn't want to tell us?.... Next!" No offense, roadrunner, but it's only Step 1 and it looks as if you're already trying to hide things from the department.

Tell us all about the second part

Well, buff, do you prefer amusement parks or historic locations?

The proctor in our room was not very communicative at all... She didn't even tell us to "begin"... we were like, uh... ma'am can we start now? Oh sure go ahead, she says, mark down what time you're starting. And everyone had to rip off or separate their demographic info from the answer sheet. So I'm hoping just the scores (w/o demographics attached) are what get banded by FPSI...

Also, and forgive me if I seem a little harsh, but the city should have had a required physical fitness test in order to move on to the written. That would have cut the competition down by at least half for those of us who actually give a **** and who are ready any time, all the time, and who live and breathe for this career.

Just a thought....

[urbanwarfare]

Biodata test are developed so that cities can skew results to get the demographic they want. These tests are geared towards passing alot of minorities while failing alot of white males. Usually answers that most white males answer are graded 0 to -4,while most for minorities are scored +2or +4.
Have spent many years following biodata tests and fighting lawsuits to rid the use of them. I know people talk alot of b.s. on these boards,but I have first hand knowledge how they use these test and grade them.

[thatguy123]

how long do you think till they tell us the scores?

[FWDbuff]

The more I hear about this test the more I want to scream at each and every one of you to FORMALLY ORGANIZE AND FILE A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST THESE CLOWNS AND THE CITY!!!!!!!!!!

[nutts09]

These tests are geared towards passing alot of minorities while failing alot of white males. Usually answers that most white males answer are graded 0 to -4,while most for minorities are scored +2or +4.

How???

And if you "know" that this is being done, how can we stop it?

[dbask]

I think test should be 100% physical. Then once everyone passes that part then give out different test once in the Academy on info t. hat iis actually going to be used. Anyone can study and score thee best they can on a test, maybbe other people are not good test
takers . I just think if you are not physically fit to perform the job then you shouldnt be allowed in the academy, your just taking up space from the people that are capable to perform the job. If you just want to take written tedt and pass them then go bqck to school and be a teacher.

[roadrunner09]

I am not sure I'd be so glad about leaving ANYTHING blank. If they aren't choosing from a certain demographic, I doubt you fooled them by leaving it blank. More like: "Oh the guy doesn't want to tell us?.... Next!" No offense, roadrunner, but it's only Step 1 and it looks as if you're already trying to hide things from the department.

I've been voluntarily filling out those sections for a variety of different things all my life. After being burned by the FDNY, I vowed never again to unless required. I guess what I do have going for me in that regard is that my last name sounds like a black guy's.

Also, they freakin let people test who didn't have their print-out which they explicitly instructed us to bring. You just had to sign something. I have a feeling that if they need more info, they'll ask.

[unbroken136]

Man, this is all kind of disheartening. I feel bad for the guys already on, having to worry about the new guy next to them when the **** hits the fan, if they are capable or not. Also, to the guys in the know and who are already on---thanks for all the help on these forums and with the study sessions. I was able to make the last study session at the Union Hall and I just wanted to express how awesome those guys were who were running it. They actually took time out of their own personal schedules and created study guides and drew up their own questions for the final practice test session for anyone who chose to attend. They were super cool and super helpful. I actually had several questions on my exam that they had covered that night. Anyway, it made me realize how fortunate I or any of us would be to be able to work for PFD. Thanks again guys.

Also, and forgive me if I seem a little harsh, but the city should have had a required physical fitness test in order to move on to the written. That would have cut the competition down by at least half for those of us who actually give a **** and who are ready any time, all the time, and who live and breathe for this career.

Amen.

I think test should be 100% physical. Then once everyone passes that part then give out different test once in the Academy on info t. hat iis actually going to be used. Anyone can study and score thee best they can on a test, maybbe other people are not good test
takers . I just think if you are not physically fit to perform the job then you shouldnt be allowed in the academy, your just taking up space from the people that are capable to perform the job. If you just want to take written tedt and pass them then go bqck to school and be a teacher.

It should be more than that, though, IMHO. You can have the fittest guy in the world get hired but if he doesn't care about the job and he's a real ***hole on top of that, than you get nothing but *** for the next 25 years.

[urbanwarfare]

the way you rid the use of this test is thru the courts,but that takes years and most judges side with the government on entrance tests when they are skewed against white males. These tests are the new way to still enforce a consent decree without calling it a consent decree. These test are wrong and discriminatory but the US Justice department backs them and the companies that design these tests do so with the understanding that the justice department will back them in any lawsuits.

[FWDbuff]

These tests are the new way to still enforce a consent decree without calling it a consent decree.

Which is precisely what the City of Philadelphia wants.

[Long Time]

Well, buff, do you prefer amusement parks or historic locations?

That just brung back the memory of me sitting there saying to myself, "What the heck"??????

how long do you think till they tell us the scores?

It's going to be hurry up wait probably...

I think test should be 100% physical. Then once everyone passes that part then give out different test once in the Academy on info t. hat iis actually going to be used. Anyone can study and score thee best they can on a test, maybbe other people are not good test
takers . I just think if you are not physically fit to perform the job then you shouldnt be allowed in the academy, your just taking up space from the people that are capable to perform the job. If you just want to take written tedt and pass them then go bqck to school and be a teacher.

There should be some type of physical test. This is a PHYSICAL career and lives depend on your physical fitness.