Nobody is faulting people for studying and getting a 100%. The issue is what happened from that point in terms of generating rank on the list. If its is fair for people with identical scores of 100 to be ranked soley from a lottery then so be it I guess. Should have played the real lottery the day your random number was assigned. It was in fact, your lucky day.
So all the shenanigans and tomfoolery that went on during the actual written test (things like no fingerprinting or checking of ID's, guys being on their cell phones during the test, guys talking to one another during the test, proctors leaving the room during the test, things like that) that could have allowed (GASP!) cheating to occur.....these things should be forgotten?
What about all the people who called in or wrote letters or emails to HR and asked for explanations of how things were going to be graded, and for explanations of the "banding" prior to the written test and were never provided a verbal (much less a written) response....or were given the run-around by being told to contact WSI, or another person in HR, or this department or that department....Or when they called WSI were given the run around.....these things should be forgotten? The more SVandro speaks the more it makes me think he is a minority, a liberal, or both.
Does anyone know if it was just PA FF1 that got your points?
If you can challenge PA would they give points for NJ certs?
The job announcement ended in August... MDFF26, what were you doing for the four months PRIOR to the test???
It doesn't matter if you read the link you posted you must be a pa resident to get your other state certifications accepted. Also you must take the pro board challenge test as well.
It is critical that everyone on the list follow the review process on you notification letter or email. Call 215-686-0880 to make an appointment to review your results.
Make sure you get as much information as possible and check over your answer sheets thoroughly.
The city has made mistakes on scoring sheets in the past and more than likely did this exam.
To those of you who did do well enough to be in the next class good luck and remember just don't be an ***-hole and you'll do fine
Does anyone know when Philly is looking to put the first recruit class together? Also I have forgoten if the forum has addressed this question so I appoligize now lol... How does Philly work the rotation on and off the EMS bus/wagon?
How many recruits does each class usually consist of?
Does anybody have an idea about when the background/interview process will begin for the first classes?
The only party to blame for this entire dilemma is the Firefighter's Union itself. If they were really concerned about the quality/credentials of the incoming classes, the integrity of the test process, or the Fire Department itself - THEY would have been the one's to stand up and fight for a more transparent testing process.
Every firefighter currently on the job who is on this page telling those ppl to sue, should shut the hell up. If they really cared, THEY would have done something PRIOR to this test to ensure the PFD was getting the most qualified class possible.
So why haven't they done anything? It's pretty simple - they don't care. It's easier for them to sit back and tell other ppl to sue while blaming the administration, the City, etc, etc, etc..
To all the firefighters on here complaining about how the PFD "isn't the same," look no further than yourself. And then shut the hell up.
How effective is a union that "has no say over the way the City hires?" If that doesn't show the ineptitude of the union itself, then I don't know what does. What good is stepping in AFTER the test is administered. As we can all see, (and the 900 ppl who scored 100's can attest too), this after the test challenge is sure going to do a lot of good. Please note my sarcasm.
A union that doesn't have control over the way ppl are hired is no "union" at all. You mean to tell me that you guys are "helpless" to change an utterly arbitrary, and some would argue discriminatory, testing process? That's just pathetic. As a civil service job, this test should be comparable to that taken by police recruits, but it isn't. You know why? Because the police union made it change. (I am not on a PPD). So once again, please stop telling everyone to file an injunctive class action suit. Unfortunately, the people going for this job are not likely to have the financial resources, time, etc to do that. So shut the f*ck up.
I have repeated these statements to both firefighters and a few battalion chiefs on the job today.
Therefore, the union "has no say over the way the City hires". Thus, only people on the hiring list can sue or start a class-action lawsuit.
The FOP didn't make the City change it's hiring practices for police. Ramsey did. Also the Municipal Police Officer certification requirements necessitated some changes.
Please check your facts before you start ranting.
Thanks for the info. As far as I know, Fed Court decisions are not set in stone and may be challenged at any time on legitimate grounds. Considering 1974 was 38 years ago, I don't believe (although I'm not certain) the judge who decided the issue is still serving today.
While I certainly understand the standing rationale. Any lawyer worth their salt could craft a persuasive argument for why the Union either should be granted standing or should be allowed some/any input into the testing process that determines their prospective members (i.e. the members they will be responsible for).
If everyone thought Federal Court rulings were infallible, separate but equal would still be good law. A union helpless to a 38 year old court ruling gets no sympathy from me.
And if that is not possible, then look no further than the FOP (Ramsey changed the hiring practice). Why can't the Fire Commissioner? Oh yeah, I forgot - you guys our helpless on that one too. Pathetic